From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCFn_bpBBoE53kLiQ@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 24 06:41:32 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhNbj-0007kP-0i; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:31 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf12020158qwd.16 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=qg3N9xKBfi+HvnqSuqqIaJj0vjaqsH2xuXMcTttNDvk=; b=rtpNPKujBjTHSSPlP82Drz7uY77rxcBCQVgTwIHe+R6NypJFFCf5I5RLUpsJEFW0D5 rZgfC6iJ33eaDNbk+RzLWYyHtEHyq7LYj0lhC15S1UNZF9Z40FAaMCvrrDoYQSrsocqo BU550FvuiVomhf4jlj60+a2xUDdHsjJzZOLvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=TN1KLBw8nx2+m7awH4RvMfhuKC0yfrzr5AhrCOtUIqcsLPyi6UBX2YrEYhme/Vi967 yhHc/xBun1/bGd0ngjSNhzq6i+dnS28aWQjDricizkLYil2YrRbpCnGrA/9nlML+PSQU ILP1va0iJLQjS6SKAtbFVda2OxzZfcqpp+gII= Received: by 10.229.17.21 with SMTP id q21mr499755qca.38.1295880069655; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.75.218 with SMTP id z26ls1535241qcj.3.p; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.126.131 with SMTP id c3mr554072qcs.0.1295880069023; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.126.131 with SMTP id c3mr554071qcs.0.1295880068971; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si2918494qcu.14.2011.01.24.06.41.08; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=lB0PHvjMBpAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=PpaJF0-TFxaj1WItktsA:9 a=WsgE54_XJKzRdGZSnvkjXn-GCWUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51716] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/63-07087-38F8D3D4; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:41:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A4054E1 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:40:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201101240941.01265.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 24 January 2011 08:58:08 Michael Turniansky wrote: > zdani isn't difficult,. Rememeber that "z" is voiced "s" and "d" is > voiced "t". So if you can pronounce "st-", you should have zero > problems voicing it to "zd-" Is "stani/zdani" considered a minimal pair, since "sdani" and "ztani" are= =20 disallowed by phonotactics? Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.