From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDZwvvpBBoEKoNdkw@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 25 06:52:46 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhkGA-0000ka-Oo; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:52:46 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf14609496qwd.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:52:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=UTYhhyqwPWAfskhrcJO6ytd3CRrob4Cpqaf4kbJYQgQ=; b=JV6hb9HN9rxg4S0/e+Y9xE9VlzeVuSVEwCEk/ZQ7uKlf2qh/1ABLZo+bHbwLOnXGaF UYXfcpOc1TODRQsqF/oGsAA1G4MEQvgAxSLpBzemh6DMU7XigDgxTrne9Ae4at/dkQCZ /gXOwOpgI6HWoAq3jQntqow4fe81JyaA46tTY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=khX9dxtLmdDkm9V635Zn5PwpZHMLn2EYndCu7weM0TCkU4kxf+U+YUgCpT3NN/YquP LxLOQVEk8phgfnoRoXFTyIFZ3Ba4Z7h35ldHPHZwb9KNjpjo+efRtFdnnJ+OkMoCBnTG nQadVNuOT+JszQUuQ9weJI0mQDg1tEs4rlKuk= Received: by 10.229.183.141 with SMTP id cg13mr668094qcb.30.1295966553613; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.75.218 with SMTP id z26ls1785431qcj.3.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.73.81 with SMTP id p17mr907449qcj.15.1295966552686; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.73.81 with SMTP id p17mr907448qcj.15.1295966552670; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si3186546qci.1.2011.01.25.06.42.32; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3jtQBdTzPyV+fq4oCU/u8ZPrJJGN11HvhaDVxyWhycI= c=1 sm=0 a=soGsjJtDT-4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=LRWP-WiF-3eIgH5tT6EA:9 a=-E6sL7dlCYE2dCrAXc6-Xy3BOxQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:33485] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 78/11-02631-751EE3D4; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:42:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342AB13126 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:42:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201101250142.40669.phma@phma.optus.nu> <612472.70029.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <612472.70029.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201101250942.26977.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 25 January 2011 08:59:22 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > With due respect to Pierre, janvari, frebuari etc just > introduces an=A0anglo-bias into Lojban that will simply > turn off potential non-anglo lojbanists. > > jbovlaste already has pavmasti, relmasti, cibmasti etc > which seem to be just fine and consistent with > pavdei, reldei etc for days. "listopad" has a hemisphere bias, as do other non-Latin and non-number name= s=20 of Gregorian months. "pavmasti" would collide with non-Roman calendars, in= =20 which the first month is at different times of the year. As the Gregorian= =20 calendar is the fourth version of the Roman calendar, I thought it fitting = to=20 take the names of the months from Latin, though the forms of the words are= =20 taken from various languages ("ianvari" is from Russian, "madjio" is from= =20 Italian) or from no particular language. A quick check of Wiktionary shows = a=20 large plurality, possibly a majority, of languages using Latin-derived word= s=20 for month names. Pierre --=20 Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.