From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCltPzpBBoEArIK_A@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 25 10:45:57 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhntA-00072Q-Bu; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:52 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf4653687gwb.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/fOtxK+DgVXBvgPL+1X1MlOboS0o5xqKxVx/+XsjAew=; b=QM6qgBm7XndxJyd/+QrsHToo0xn0g0rHRFS2zLfJ0ywhQtFllZ7Lo+4wUr8YvhOiz9 kyF080EFyBp+GgPXDYhNDuu/97dUAhvsxpBVHXN192fuSavb5E5RvtpuchrrIdThkA/a GrVHTzS0PhePWg2LyG36Pzw5bMAC7yCQczeuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Iux41//DE3isPnTDrQnrUir0FZVSAh+e5uH9qlnB2cKydM+16Vf0Mb44A6qtWdUCTB xdIxMiQF68dR6DwlHWJapRg1TUq9es81Z+gnMj80Fdqves/ns5XZ9OPrTyaw17v3mnHU 5kddq9cq0iu3MmxOY4MKH1r0z26fg/b6jdPMg= Received: by 10.150.11.2 with SMTP id 2mr648264ybk.22.1295981093620; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls6242254ibh.0.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.139 with SMTP id p11mr2324861ibp.12.1295981092727; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.139 with SMTP id p11mr2324859ibp.12.1295981092595; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f177.google.com (mail-iy0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25si3534261ibb.4.2011.01.25.10.44.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so7605656iyj.22 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.208.8 with SMTP id ga8mr7013536ibb.1.1295981091220; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.2 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <166116.89695.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201101250142.40669.phma@phma.optus.nu> <166116.89695.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:44:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023547c984793ef37049ab01c38 --0023547c984793ef37049ab01c38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If I'm right, this is the conversation he was talking about: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/browse_thread/thread/d14ba928ec271a15# This has a couple messages not in the above: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/d14ba928ec271a15#\ And this one is another idea that someone else came up with in response to the above discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/8dafe66cc880b780# On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Tom wrote: > pavdei, reldei, etc... are kinda hard and counterintuitive for portuguese > speakers (and maybe other languages, I don't know). Monday is > "segunda-feira" (second) in that language. Sunday is "primeira-feira" > (first), etc.. > > Can someone link me to the previous discussion, I can't readily find it by > googling... > Thanks. > > --- On *Tue, 1/25/11, Pierre Abbat * wrote: > > > From: Pierre Abbat > Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week > To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:42 AM > > > On Monday 24 January 2011 16:24:31 xaujbes cindustus wrote: > > coi ro do > > > > Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday? A while ago I used > a > > word I got from the Lojban for Beginners workboook for 'monday' and the > > fluent speakers who responded didn't know what I was talking about, so I > > checked the dictionary, and it gave me a different set of words than what > > LoB told me. And then just now someone used mudydei in an email which I > > took to be a day of the week but not (if I recall correctly) the one > listed > > on the dictionary site. > > There are two: (soldei, lurdei, fagdei, jaurdei, mudydei, jimdei, derdei) > and > (nondei, pavdei, reldei, cibdei, vondei, mumdei, xavdei, zeldei). So there > are three words for Sunday, the choice between "nondei" and "zeldei" based > on > whether you start the week with Sunday or Monday. > > There's a natlang (past and, for reintegrationists, present) with two lists > of > days of the week, namely Portuguese-Galician. > > As to the months, I used to use "celma'i" and the like, but now think those > > should be astrological signs, not calendar months. For the calendar months, > I > use (ianvari, frebuari, martio, prilio, madjio, djunio, djulio, avgusto, > septembero, oktobero, novmbero, decmbero). Months used in previous versions > > of the Roman calendar include (mercedonio, kuintili, sektili). > > Pierre > -- > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+ > unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0023547c984793ef37049ab01c38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I'm right, this is the conversation he was talking about:
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/browse_thr= ead/thread/d14ba928ec271a15#

This has a couple messages not in the above:
http://g= roups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/d14ba928ec271a15#\
And this one is another idea that someone else came up with in response= to the above discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/l= ojban/browse_thread/thread/8dafe66cc880b780#

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Tom <to_mu1975@yahoo.com<= /a>> wrote:
pavdei, reldei, etc... are kinda hard a= nd counterintuitive for portuguese speakers (and maybe other languages, I d= on't know). Monday is "segunda-feira" (second) in that langua= ge. Sunday is "primeira-feira" (first), etc..

Can someone link me to the previous discussion, I can't readily fin= d it by googling...
Thanks.

--- On Tue, 1/25/11, Pierre Abbat = <phma@phma.op= tus.nu> wrote:

From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
Subject: Re:= [lojban-beginners] days of the week
To: = lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7= :42 AM


On Monday 24 January 2= 011 16:24:31 xaujbes cindustus wrote:
> coi ro do
>
> Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday? A while ago I used a
> word I got from the Lojban for Begi= nners workboook for 'monday' and the
> fluent speakers who re= sponded didn't know what I was talking about, so I
> checked the = dictionary, and it gave me a different set of words than what
> LoB told me. And then just now someone used mudydei in an email which = I
> took to be a day of the week but not (if I recall correctly) the = one listed
> on the dictionary site.

There are two: (soldei, l= urdei, fagdei, jaurdei, mudydei, jimdei, derdei) and
(nondei, pavdei, reldei, cibdei, vondei, mumdei, xavdei, zeldei). So there =
are three words for Sunday, the choice between "nondei" and &= quot;zeldei" based on
whether you start the week with Sunday or Mo= nday.

There's a natlang (past and, for reintegrationists, present) with t= wo lists of
days of the week, namely Portuguese-Galician.

As to = the months, I used to use "celma'i" and the like, but now think those
should be astrological signs, not calendar m= onths. For the calendar months, I
use (ianvari, frebuari, martio, prili= o, madjio, djunio, djulio, avgusto,
septembero, oktobero, novmbero, dec= mbero). Months used in previous versions
of the Roman calendar include (mercedonio, kuintili, sektili).

Pierr= e
--
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