From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCv-vzpBBoECUMruQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 25 13:14:48 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhqDo-0007Vr-RM; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:48 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf171206vws.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bnC7PfYCjPEm0WOAFgU6ZWsaOzklMZcae3qH61PpeQY=; b=wvdlFLfC22LDBqI0/QlIVQFzaumlTVnwUxtYd8VbtDLX+F4qeJHliMN8RYRf2/e//H yOkZvDHtrb6rmV+pg5BbDHqC5NnPYTWwq2PAH76cyFL3NEj4FUyEeBia6lfaP3DiEEGw miZS6BR2pbVAUhJjeQm8+hnT9I0RNm2yi53Gc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mXy9NDz+L7Z/+IRKbxd+bCRdcpVArqknGNnLiZHYWn4bhpV4SM4iPAuqzMsOgm711s fC51igwVYPBchEezqTREIJ5t07hpDXLAbP4bYDtvGdDpHhvcXxVLxzlgejWj/F8kZ8kx 8CU7FJx8yZWdlTrBMND+eiEpeIKtP78Fqt9dY= Received: by 10.220.200.139 with SMTP id ew11mr297971vcb.31.1295990063192; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.67.30 with SMTP id p30ls48794vci.3.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.201 with SMTP id bb9mr2145907vcb.6.1295990061694; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.201 with SMTP id bb9mr2145906vcb.6.1295990061676; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si2945687vbr.5.2011.01.25.13.14.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 19so242720qyj.10 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.6 with SMTP id dc6mr5157174qcb.175.1295990060216; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] [some kind of] conditionals From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Discursive= s CLL, chapter 13, section 12.5-12.6 --gy On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > Interesting.=A0 Is there any learning material that brings it up in any > detail? > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn >> wrote: >> > I'm sure there's a more precise linguistic term, but I don't know it. >> > >> > How do you express sentiments like "I *would* go to the store, but I'm >> > tired" (so I won't), possibly even omitting the secondary clause and >> > leaving >> > the reason to be inferred. >> > >> > In a similar vein, how would you express "If I were rich, I'd be happy= ." >> > (English subjunctive mood?) >> > >> > Actually, If there's a good reference on conditionals, subjunctives, a= nd >> > counterfactual statements as they apply to lojban, please point me in >> > that >> > direction. >> > >> > -- >> > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R >> > >> > -- >> >> =A0Limited though it is, the "da'i" is the marker for subjunctgive, and >> counterfactuals. >> "va'o da'i lo za'i mi ricfu kei mi gleki" >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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