From lojban-beginners+bncCM64ir3sAxC11YDqBBoEvwdSBQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 26 06:08:15 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi62Z-0004PY-Es; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:08:15 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf491958fxm.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:08:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-mimeole:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator :thread-topic:thread-index:references:from:to:x-scanned-by :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-class:content-type; bh=qrn872mROoGvG2iLqXq4838kAmykClHadBUP0rd08Zg=; b=qs1Mq68/BOJDp9uVIVpcKtRdzzX7aQWx6fDGgTzqk+JOvbBXJy3x9xJ0fqvc56aJkW //GKJ9doydrauE0iU5IZLGwdatmVuqwY/5pjaHMoDX0NqK8STqZoilV/H+P8fzT5NjmS jY9TFOOrePM9DddwGHXTYtQRvt7pQgJIexalY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-mimeole:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:thread-topic :thread-index:references:from:to:x-scanned-by:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-class:content-type; b=li9dzcF2La5/QxuatXFLA3vonnShWh656XKZBI4wMZExoRpwQkTfhxzwNcLIxbCY77 hIF2jaQIsCz7bjfsNVRnd2eNZHJ7Jm87kZ31jHe2Fc6360pMseqD2IXq28Advg2FQUXf HDEhKdPqONyl5tYW156Xpcus5sGSNdQm4R5Ys= Received: by 10.223.105.198 with SMTP id u6mr623991fao.12.1296050869184; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.86.4 with SMTP id q4ls178078fal.0.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.69.133 with SMTP id z5mr664368fai.17.1296050868099; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.69.133 with SMTP id z5mr664367fai.17.1296050868051; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cluster-f.mailcontrol.com (cluster-f.mailcontrol.com [85.115.62.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a26si1754212faa.8.2011.01.26.06.07.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.62.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.115.62.190; Received: from aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk (aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk [195.188.21.21]) by rly36f.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id p0QE6UNW020275 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:06:45 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [lojban-beginners] days of the week Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:06:39 -0000 Message-ID: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D38268592E0@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] days of the week Thread-Index: Acu9YfqPhg79lgqaTkarMn1978dkNQAAB1zg References: <5893662.473.1295996118205.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> From: "Michael Eaton" To: X-Scanned-By: MailControl A_10_80_00 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.70.0.146 X-Original-Sender: michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.62.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBBD62.406B08F8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBBD62.406B08F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. The counter-argument, of course, being "starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures". =20 Just one of those things. =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week =20 Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was my favorite gejyspa. I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously. I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures" to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult". =20 =20 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar wrote: > These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered > day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban is a > secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we have what > I've seen to be four main options. > 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it looks > retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday'). > 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}. > 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning. > 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of any > natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are translated > from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, and > Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former). > Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote on one > of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all four, > the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat. Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768 --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Agreed. The counter-argument, of cours= e, being “starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptabl= e to other cultures”.

 

Just one of those things.

 


From:= lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= ] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04<= br> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginne= rs] days of the week

 

Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was m= y favorite gejyspa.  I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously.  I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures&q= uot; to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult".

 

 

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wro= te:

> These are al= l -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered
> day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban= is a
> secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we hav= e what
> I've seen to be four main options.
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it l= ooks
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of= any
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are tran= slated
> from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, = and
> Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former).
> Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote = on one
> of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all f= our,
> the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat.

 Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d76= 8
  --gejyspa


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