From lojban-beginners+bncCJGY6cDlFhD53YDqBBoEnQfVBQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 26 06:26:24 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi6KC-0003A6-0Q; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:24 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf497973fxm.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0QOYOGPUVhGLtMPQoavQQrlQlADchiMQaCzdf36eLOY=; b=H1DK4+eLQOIQx8GrYPhAj/43aW3ooW4ecO6HMHbVilsuzWMvWFxx4aVi0X8aRKEKNq MCx45gHzXyGmVfNdiBZrJDJ7b2HUbg9QCyIuyEPqxCF2Mk+U5inWTDOhAUeYKQHEDESh wRFz4/giRwlLIaUHvWJD4UjO1bWtMSHizS4YM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4QYywAkhcSkpCSi5lUX4jPlO0Zp/PXgkDKaHDBkQ70cNO9gv8DkAv5S8g3dGa0TLuW FOOw0qMWa9sNZCUA2o/VoJGiT4B/E/SePCYsFvtAuJ4kzmGZDzS8tkKk3wCDV5Bw6+2P /UGLNbAp/i3SQazVdky17bHm7Od7RB8IzbP38= Received: by 10.223.75.196 with SMTP id z4mr645018faj.28.1296051961616; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.160.8 with SMTP id l8ls181055fax.2.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.67 with SMTP id v3mr707091fal.23.1296051960525; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.67 with SMTP id v3mr707090fal.23.1296051960474; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a26si1756151faa.8.2011.01.26.06.25.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by mail-fx0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 11so1016450fxm.12 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.73.198 with SMTP id r6mr1441004faj.14.1296051959272; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:25:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.66.220 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:25:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D38268592E0@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> References: <5893662.473.1295996118205.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D38268592E0@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> From: Oren Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a66da4948e049ac09c6a --20cf3054a66da4948e049ac09c6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an avid admirer of logic in Mandarin Chinese, my initial position was that numbered days are just more logical, more straightforward, etc. But wow! Using colors makes way more sense if it's something that naturally cycles in sevens... otherwise, it's still totally arbitrary (okay, i mean "practical") to choose a seven-day cycle. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:06, Michael Eaton wrote: > Agreed. The counter-argument, of course, being =93starting the cycles fr= om > a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures=94. > > > > Just one of those things. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto: > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Luke Bergen > *Sent:* 26 January 2011 14:04 > > *To:* lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week > > > > Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was my > favorite gejyspa. I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously. I > think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a > constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures" to which I > say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreig= n > language is difficult". > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar wrote: > > > These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last > numbered > > day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban = is > a > > secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we have > what > > I've seen to be four main options. > > 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it > looks > > retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday'). > > 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}. > > 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning. > > 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of > any > > natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are > translated > > from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, a= nd > > Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former). > > Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote o= n > one > > of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all > four, > > the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat. > > Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768 > --gejyspa > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ > > This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as > part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. > > > > Click here = to > report this email as spam. > > > http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ > This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as > part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. > > > *************************************************************************= ***** > See the Blackpool You Tube video aimed at attracting French visitors by > clicking this link http://www.visitblackpool.com/jetaime > > > *************************************************************************= ***** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 Oren Robinson (315) 569-2888 102 Morrison Ave Somerville, MA 02144 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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As an avid admirer of logic in Mandarin Chinese, my initia= l position was that numbered days are just more logical, more straightforwa= rd, etc.

But wow!=A0Using colors makes way more sense if i= t's something that naturally cycles in sevens... otherwise, it's st= ill totally arbitrary (okay, i mean "practical") to choose a seve= n-day cycle.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:06, Michael = Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:

Agreed. The counte= r-argument, of course, being =93starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures=94.

=A0<= /p>

Just one of those = things.

=A0<= /p>

From: lojb= an-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= ] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04<= /span>


To: lojb= an-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginne= rs] days of the week

=A0

Being completely honest and serious for a moment... = your idea was my favorite gejyspa. =A0I'm not sure why people didn't take it serious= ly. =A0I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures&q= uot; to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult".

=

=A0

=A0

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky = <mturniansky@= gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.c= om> wrote:

> These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered
> day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban= is a
> secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we= have what
> I've seen to be four main options.
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it l= ooks
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of= any
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are tran= slated
> from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a G= od, and
> Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former).<= br> > Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote = on one
> of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all f= our,
> the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat.

=A0Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color bas= ed system
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768
=A0 --gejyspa

=A0

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