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Using colors makes way more sense if it's something that naturally cycles in sevens... otherwise, it's still totally arbitrary (okay, i mean "practical") to choose a seven-day cycle. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:06, Michael Eaton wrote: Agreed. The counter-argument, of course, being "starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures". Just one of those things. ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was my favorite gejyspa. I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously. I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures" to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult". On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar wrote: > These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered > day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban is a > secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we have what > I've seen to be four main options. > 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it looks > retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday'). > 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}. > 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning. > 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of any > natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are translated > from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, and > Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former). > Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote on one > of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all four, > the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat. Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768 --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Whatever system or derivation is used, it will always be arbitrary.

 


From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oren
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:26
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week

 

As an avid admirer of logic in Mandarin Chinese, my initial position was that numbered days are just more logical, more straightforward, etc.

 

But wow! Using colors makes way more sense if it's something that naturally cycles in sevens... otherwise, it's still totally arbitrary (okay, i mean "practical") to choose a seven-day cycle.

 

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:06, Michael Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:

Agreed. The counter-argument, of course, being “starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures”.

 

Just one of those things.

 


From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04


To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week

 

Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was my favorite gejyspa.  I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously.  I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures" to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult".

 

 

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

> These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered
> day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban is a
> secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we have what
> I've seen to be four main options.
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it looks
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of any
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are translated
> from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, and
> Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former).
> Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote on one
> of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all four,
> the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat.

 Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768
  --gejyspa


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