I never said arbitrary was bad. It just means that, no matter what, there will be at least one dissenter. Personally, I’m not too bothered what the days are called, as long as they’re called something.

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen
Sent: 26 January 2011 15:30
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week

Arbitrary is not necessarily bad. Sometimes there is no logical, rational reason for doing something a particular way. I had 2 pairs of socks this morning which were identical in every way. One pair was on the left side of my drawer, the other was on the right. I picked the left pair. Was it an arbitrary choice? Yes. Did I spend 80 emails going back and forth with my wife trying to come up with a more "rational" reason for choosing the left or the right pair? ummm, no.

"But are you right or left handed?" say the jbodau. Screw it! I just want my damn socks.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:

And therein lies our problem.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Michael Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:

Whatever system or derivation is used, it will always be arbitrary.

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oren
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:26

To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week

As an avid admirer of logic in Mandarin Chinese, my initial position was that numbered days are just more logical, more straightforward, etc.

But wow! Using colors makes way more sense if it's something that naturally cycles in sevens... otherwise, it's still totally arbitrary (okay, i mean "practical") to choose a seven-day cycle.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:06, Michael Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:

Agreed. The counter-argument, of course, being “starting the cycles from a moving point might not be acceptable to other cultures”.

Just one of those things.

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luke Bergen
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:04

To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week

Being completely honest and serious for a moment... your idea was my favorite gejyspa. I'm not sure why people didn't take it seriously. I think one of the complaints was "but it's still starting the cycles at a constant spot so it might not be acceptable for some cultures" to which I say "well, it has to start somewhere and yes, sometimes learning a foreign language is difficult".

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

> These are all -religious- concepts putting the sabbath as the last numbered
> day of the week. Sadly, the secular world starts on Monday, and Lojban is a
> secular language. We've not arrived at a single conclusion, but we have what
> I've seen to be four main options.
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it looks
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of any
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are translated
> from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a God, and
> Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former).
> Unless we have some rational alternate option, I think we should vote on one
> of these four in a last-man-standing kind of tournament. Vote on all four,
> the one least liked gets dropped, rinse, repeat.

Sorry, I'm still campaigning for my color based system
http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a2d5fd068451d768
--gejyspa

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