From lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRCwnInqBBoEimQzEA@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 27 21:04:08 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PigV9-0003qj-Mx; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:04:08 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1350465fxm.16 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4Xn3u5lmJPS1PEYqkeTKsivZqR2LwzJGRqJImMNIK9I=; b=4oaDzVRh9Hi0dBAdAW8vFQYn2O3dol5SJKzwHW0qlkwT4xncO/eXb7yGKmJIlL3ltR F11WnE0R/gIrSPwSZwSlQEufxnvsxr7RKsjO4BW5guqOxX4IBLt+p/BFT6QetlGVeDoz x8FXcmEhkmesvC5YSiAOirmpm3w8dA3FjmuCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=t1bl87wF+9YzmdnjJDCtqvUx0knoBmVGN75xA+CxEtXPXbajkn88dbTjmZRV/dndha ggnAHzYLp7uw1uobRyflR7eXH8hroxCuVHtmLyX8rImlYfxhmtF0YcOQ7xjEWwXOO/j9 LCBPuqsUrUOwocYeUpknhMCo5WWGVEn5P8aUU= Received: by 10.223.78.129 with SMTP id l1mr166066fak.32.1296191024765; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.23.201 with SMTP id s9ls849781bkb.2.p; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.16.207 with SMTP id p15mr259807bka.22.1296191023374; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.16.207 with SMTP id p15mr259806bka.22.1296191023303; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n19si3081996bks.5.2011.01.27.21.03.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so2990530fxm.38 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.72.197 with SMTP id n5mr1869735faj.8.1296191021941; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.85.205 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:03:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4f96c880e049ae0fd30 --20cf3054a4f96c880e049ae0fd30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or we may never settle on a single convention for naming the days of the week. Synonyms are useful too. stevo On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, xaujbes cindustus > wrote: > > > > Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday? > > Your answer, as evidenced by this conversation, is clearly NO. No, no > way, absolutely not, and whatever your suggestion is you can't make > me. :P Seriously, though, if you're trying to write something in > Lojban, your best chance at being understood is the numbers. No one > remembers those either, but they can count. :P > > It could be discouraging, but another way to look at it is as an > opportunity. If you want a fully established and decided language, > you have thousands of choices with long, unshakable histories. Lojban > is one of your very few choices though if you're interested in a > language which both (a) has actual speakers using the language every > day to talk about things and (b) has lots of basic decisions that > haven't been firmly made. A lot of the people here enjoy being part > of an unsettled, adolescent language. It's a creative outlet. That's > what all this bikeshed painting is about. > > I think it's fairly harmless. We'll probably decide somehow > eventually what weekday system is the standard, and then we'll have > something reassuring to tell nintadni. Meanwhile Lojban is > accumulating a history, a story, a richness that can't easily be > imitated. For instance, I believe what triggered your question was > someone using {jaurdei} and {mudydei} to make a joke! Even if having > a bunch of competing and abandoned day naming systems isn't > practically useful, it's a rich soil for humor, for poetry, for > culture. Lojban is one of the few languages in history to begin as a > simple conlang and grow up into a real full deep human language, and > this seemingly petty conversation is part of that growth. So try not > to be too frustrated. :) > > mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf3054a4f96c880e049ae0fd30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or we may never settle on a single convention for naming the days of t= he week. Synonyms are useful too.
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Stela Selckiku = <selckiku@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, xaujbes cindustus
<= ;xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com= > wrote:
>
> Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday= ?

Your answer, as evidenced by this conversation, is clearly N= O. =A0No, no
way, absolutely not, and whatever your suggestion is you ca= n't make
me. :P =A0Seriously, though, if you're trying to write something in
= Lojban, your best chance at being understood is the numbers. =A0No one
r= emembers those either, but they can count. :P

It could be discouragi= ng, but another way to look at it is as an
opportunity. =A0If you want a fully established and decided language,
yo= u have thousands of choices with long, unshakable histories. =A0Lojban
i= s one of your very few choices though if you're interested in a
lang= uage which both (a) has actual speakers using the language every
day to talk about things and (b) has lots of basic decisions that
haven&= #39;t been firmly made. =A0A lot of the people here enjoy being part
of = an unsettled, adolescent language. =A0It's a creative outlet. =A0That&#= 39;s
what all this bikeshed painting is about.

I think it's fairly ha= rmless. =A0We'll probably decide somehow
eventually what weekday sys= tem is the standard, and then we'll have
something reassuring to tel= l nintadni. =A0Meanwhile Lojban is
accumulating a history, a story, a richness that can't easily be
imi= tated. =A0For instance, I believe what triggered your question was
someo= ne using {jaurdei} and {mudydei} to make a joke! =A0Even if having
a bun= ch of competing and abandoned day naming systems isn't
practically useful, it's a rich soil for humor, for poetry, for
cult= ure. =A0Lojban is one of the few languages in history to begin as a
simp= le conlang and grow up into a real full deep human language, and
this se= emingly petty conversation is part of that growth. =A0So try not
to be too frustrated. :)

mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o

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