From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCh_JLpBBoExR-lqw@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 10:53:43 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaYUM-0004pu-H4; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:43 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf17132100wwb.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1TxwvcbzDIbefkx8PfqW1cvr5r2mRMChchE/kujx+gU=; b=AntRJBbYl1WiZBW6j8uOvhYFOMdRa8l1ZNl/UcD07gu5adMW9/xuWAZ3dl9gfwDg2n JfyyI9EOzrw8U2931O38VGjzVj6H2QlALhks5JyBlzkCe+mHT38Z+AW3xGfSRfKEMmeN bzOuvYK1LAxAj29/nLG2nxwnfBnQA/rgxmTYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=J2iTW3PwROU6Tq6LLGIEq265NcsF8smyK7MakTb4UX/uBFeSkokGeR8koEgE0ITBYk pz3v7gwSSZ8aMJjt9AeShnPqpwHjhFTUJwIAay1NIOvkkSk6KeB7XNHbm0NlCSoIvFTL +wG7G/ydmw9l/4pPAx5lUIuJhNCxhdFp0oU2Q= Received: by 10.216.177.71 with SMTP id c49mr3142084wem.17.1294253601674; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.133.15 with SMTP id p15ls838456eei.7.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.3.219 with SMTP id 67mr120776eeh.14.1294253600824; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.3.219 with SMTP id 67mr120775eeh.14.1294253600799; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15si253172eeh.6.2011.01.05.10.53.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.181; Received: by mail-ey0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 6so6270545eyh.12 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.15.138 with SMTP id k10mr2567600eba.1.1294253599543; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.28.73 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Implied {ko} From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be9760cd21b04991de610 --0015174be9760cd21b04991de610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Exactly! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > technically, no. In the CLL it says that a selbri on it's own is an > observative. So {sisti} could be translated as "someone is stopping" in a > way similar to when people say "car!". > > That being said, if leaving a space out implies {zo'e} and {zo'e} can be > replaced by anything, I wonder why you can't let context decide that {sisti} > -> {zo'e sisti} -> {ko sisti}. > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > >> Simply asked, can a statement like {sisti} be used to mean {ko sisti}? >> >> I see no reason why not, as long as the speaker acknowledges that the >> listener may be able to (depending on the situation) infer other valid >> meanings. >> >> -- >> Alex R >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:46 PM, = Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
technically, no. =A0In the CLL it says that a selbri on it's own is an = observative. =A0So {sisti} could be translated as "someone is stopping= " in a way similar to when people say "car!".

That being said, if leaving a space out implies {zo'e} and {zo'e} c= an be replaced by anything, I wonder why you can't let context decide t= hat {sisti} -> {zo'e sisti} -> {ko sisti}.


On We= d, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com= > wrote:
Simply asked, can a statement like {sisti} be used to mean {ko sisti}?
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I see no reason why not, as long as the speaker acknowledges= that the listener may be able to (depending on the situation) infer other = valid meanings.

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