From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCwppPqBBoEvzOlYw@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 29 18:56:05 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjNSL-0004gD-LZ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:05 -0800 Received: by yia27 with SMTP id 27sf2764947yia.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bInBL77/0GX5GeMU3hpo/K0Cz7u9hpbfP7iczmJYKqs=; b=OCL69isniHKNurHdu0FV20RXJjpxpqqmguja10TSp8Ffir6IH6uT736FCATuRa5k46 a7cCWr0MbsCkdlFUMXtszje4PHLVQG/hnfWMkgFO3rnCv8omziKLJfVDx2c0/yaqTOfJ l9O4jdRhAhFv5NDEgQXgK/eTRA2/uVEcCtujM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0RdIjMDy8cxUqlnDGt45dpH7tJ4NI35jOHbi152V9surmpC7JMjiDxKxeZr/zCLkUo 2QwgXlqhFibz7sI5wEZ429LhrB0KFHJyrZM744717duym3Sl2+iZ78O0mfVVexiE6qDh U+vxqgYGXZrU9HP/HKwQgUT29619N+i6eBGKg= Received: by 10.151.144.9 with SMTP id w9mr536059ybn.16.1296356144499; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls1826776ibk.3.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.76 with SMTP id ft12mr2074986ibb.14.1296356143659; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.76 with SMTP id ft12mr2074985ibb.14.1296356143608; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si4663113ibq.3.2011.01.29.18.55.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.172; Received: by iyi42 with SMTP id 42so4164857iyi.31 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.31.13 with SMTP id w13mr4766939ibc.125.1296356142476; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:55:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6d7d5fedff049b076f3a --0022152d6d7d5fedff049b076f3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 why not use {moi}. The set of routes/pants in question being that set of routes/pants that you took/wore over time. {le pamoi pluta} "The first route (amongst a set not explicitly specified)" On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of some > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pants I > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I might > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I might > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pair of > pants. > > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use { pa mai } for "first" because it > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i mention > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say > > { le pa pluta } "That first route; Route 1" > { le re pluta } "That second/other route; Route 2" > > { le pa palku } "Those first pants; Pants 1" > { le re palku } "Those second/other pants; Pants 2" > > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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{le pamoi pl= uta} "The first route (amongst a set not=A0explicitly=A0specified)&quo= t;

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban= , and kept track of some very mundane things, like what route I took to the= store, or what pants I was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological= sequence that I might refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pant= s. In english, I might say I took "the first route" to the store,= while wearing my "third" pair of pants.

da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use = =A0{ pa mai } for "first" because it may not actually be first ch= ronologically, but only the first that i mention in my diary. Would it make= sense to just say=A0

{ le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1"
{ le = re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2"

{ le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1"
{ le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2"
<= br>
... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a bette= r way?

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