From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhDSppPqBBoENJsI3g@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 29 18:56:40 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjNSu-0004he-An; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:40 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf9837048qyl.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NogOBxPzZr8+xivPJeSI3l06E5Oe0hHnCy379B/WIQE=; b=ciMxK3YpdgOI1mu6kVc/XZDRsoWmU5jBH0oyPolNPAP/FvLj8rXBaBCOMkG9cZX63F lZmP/fhxG5aK+m3r4mifQvM7QUKjoQVu4a5ghPjACOSVr+ZgHQeBYmexzMStlHB+V2+o oKD2ooPsOFie2oo+er+jjH2HV9pmUU2N+FekE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MLHano6vKrlFvGQsbC49mXAbvDMJdnfFOvUYMj4vQxSGkkejX+wNH1A7D8lo1Qogw9 nZiyTFU1DNyP4P2MUjlQWlg3/F6uvTzB55enz8LO+7sespg/xAqBwwlOAmxhYgab6OiW LSGZwKdLryZ86FHC8l+Hy1d2zk2v2+AK5a+NA= Received: by 10.229.83.210 with SMTP id g18mr279219qcl.12.1296356178640; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.195.134 with SMTP id ec6ls1250160qcb.2.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.192.69 with SMTP id dp5mr509437qcb.18.1296356177987; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.192.69 with SMTP id dp5mr509436qcb.18.1296356177880; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16si4262285qco.11.2011.01.29.18.56.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.176; Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so4511667qyk.14 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.81 with SMTP id c17mr4346597qcn.99.1296356176673; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No,. no no. That doesn't work. "le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one route" "le (or lo) pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. Don't forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm writing them down) You can leave them out of course, if context makes it obvious, which in this case it certainly does. --gejsypa _ On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of som= e > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pants I > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I might > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I migh= t > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pair = of > pants. > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use =A0{ pa mai } for "first" because = it > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i ment= ion > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say > { le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1" > { le re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2" > { le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1" > { le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2" > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.