From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCpv5PqBBoEjZIAvA@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 29 19:49:17 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjOHq-0002mQ-De; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:49:17 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf9878819qyl.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:49:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hy7pnJpVWUO70LauXgGGwpThMdc3NRYHbjlkeXGnV2E=; b=c72e1sWaG/slPiRPkHjwqo5vtxZ0BCUTxO+eMTmTR5ewMctQ9u1GgGUxWRmOqkXsbj ttZxgionxphDielZW733Oc/hy2/+S0LBT385hikM0EJPOXXUhase3sUsMClcnA5hGo2r WrLqRZezFizg0TAUn6folRk/HBiRNEFa7RNdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=o3DHfayA1j0mRuryUW9FfHsA7D/YtD6F88ItnVg9GSRp24B0XnXpYsy3canXP5/qAa PnffvvO0yPvChJOzW4nNmhN3wkMCu2bm0x6vcJwlCKMRHFk7eCBzIo0g8BB8RvgF8beI 6IO6lddmYxTmKpkP8k+1rt+XZOQhgbiOYEfOU= Received: by 10.229.20.19 with SMTP id d19mr277754qcb.20.1296359337158; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.197.8 with SMTP id ei8ls1257168qcb.1.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.14 with SMTP id a14mr290867qcd.20.1296359336091; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.14 with SMTP id a14mr290866qcd.20.1296359336058; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f174.google.com (mail-qy0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p18si1818350qcg.8.2011.01.29.19.48.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.174; Received: by qyj19 with SMTP id 19so1956782qyj.12 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.6 with SMTP id dc6mr4373453qcb.175.1296359334863; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing named 'One Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. I thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. jbofi'e however, likes it). Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the thing named {whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what you want. (personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd go with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. Don't understand why "lo pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...) --gejyspa On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren wrote: > Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with =A0{ le pa palku }? H= ow > would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct? > =A0{ le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long. > I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say: > { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant" > { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one" > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> =A0No,. no no. =A0That doesn't work. =A0"le pa pluta" ONLY means "the on= e >> route" =A0"le (or lo) =A0pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. =A0Don'= t >> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it >> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says >> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm >> writing them down) =A0You can leave them out of course, if context makes >> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejsypa >> >> _ >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: >> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of >> > some >> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pant= s >> > I >> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I >> > might >> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I >> > might >> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pa= ir >> > of >> > pants. >> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use =A0{ pa mai } for "first" becau= se >> > it >> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i >> > mention >> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say >> > { le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1" >> > { le re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2" >> > { le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1" >> > { le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2" >> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > Oren Robinson > (315) 569-2888 > 102 Morrison Ave > Somerville, MA 02144 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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