From lojban-beginners+bncCJGY6cDlFhDPxJPqBBoEAP6m-Q@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 29 20:00:37 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjOSn-00036U-HC; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:37 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf2000028fxm.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=U71tRMBNL1ls1KI73CzltHSuYaiS1zuzbc7CCyXz82k=; b=ng0tb190Pr+jEEtNqXFj4hDOjPqOUvOgPjCjKmVd9axVU2vJWS2KFFfK341XK8F69F AsmKYvUlT3tDVRmDQct7CypvMdbNQDKsWH/O0zeGf8alA1dwGIOpAXD1YLu85855MEE1 TJceP1Hi3S2KGjisRjM5WPMa/rOojXBwqN3L8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KT5YKYvodP7T+iL02s6MKQoTk9IBeXkx6lxzwOxZT2CeocbSW8WZ4RpYVHJTu2UgRV qaOabvPJ2lAIzwoON9xfrRXMVfrtkaaJE7/YUOQpWkI9srII07epjKlL5Tau43SZ7Uxc yRm8fYDK61H59jMhOqUoDJ3gWGd8B7PerZJ8g= Received: by 10.223.85.200 with SMTP id p8mr361328fal.29.1296360015564; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.68.84 with SMTP id u20ls635214bki.3.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.70.194 with SMTP id e2mr449357bkj.17.1296360014577; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.70.194 with SMTP id e2mr449356bkj.17.1296360014548; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o17si3010192bkw.6.2011.01.29.20.00.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18so5117990fxm.2 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.208 with SMTP id g16mr4365479fal.52.1296360013151; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:00:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.66.220 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:59:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2c115c085049b085624 --20cf3054a2c115c085049b085624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oooh, I like the subscript idea. is there any reason to dismiss any of the following? {lo palkuxipav } {le palkuxipav } {la palkuxipav } ...also, I assume the appended "v" is there for a reason... does that change depending on the digit? On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael Turniansky wrote: > You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing named 'One > Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. I > thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. jbofi'e however, > likes it). Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the thing named > {whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what you > want. (personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd go > with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. Don't understand why "lo > pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...) > --gejyspa > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren wrote: > > Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with { le pa palku }? How > > would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct? > > { le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long. > > I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say: > > { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant" > > { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one" > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky > > > wrote: > >> > >> No,. no no. That doesn't work. "le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one > >> route" "le (or lo) pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. Don't > >> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it > >> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says > >> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm > >> writing them down) You can leave them out of course, if context makes > >> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does. > >> --gejsypa > >> > >> _ > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: > >> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of > >> > some > >> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what > pants > >> > I > >> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I > >> > might > >> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I > >> > might > >> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" > pair > >> > of > >> > pants. > >> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use { pa mai } for "first" because > >> > it > >> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i > >> > mention > >> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say > >> > { le pa pluta } "That first route; Route 1" > >> > { le re pluta } "That second/other route; Route 2" > >> > { le pa palku } "Those first pants; Pants 1" > >> > { le re palku } "Those second/other pants; Pants 2" > >> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Oren Robinson > > (315) 569-2888 > > 102 Morrison Ave > > Somerville, MA 02144 > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Oren Robinson (315) 569-2888 102 Morrison Ave Somerville, MA 02144 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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oooh, I like the subscript idea. is there any reason to di= smiss any of the following?

{lo palkuxipav }
<= meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">{le= palkuxipav }
{l= a palkuxipav }

...also, I assume the appended &quo= t;v" is there for a reason... does that change depending on the digit?=

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael = Turniansky <m= turniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing n= amed 'One
Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. =A0I<= br> thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. =A0jbofi'= e however,
likes it). =A0Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the t= hing named
{whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what yo= u
want. =A0(personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd g= o
with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. =A0Don't understand = why "lo
pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with =A0{ le pa palku }= ? How
> would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct?
> =A0{ le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long.
> I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say:
> { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant"
> { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one"
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> =A0No,. no no. =A0That doesn't work. =A0"le pa pluta"= ; ONLY means "the one
>> route" =A0"le (or lo) =A0pamoi pluta" is the correc= t one to use. =A0Don't
>> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what se= t it
>> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and= an x3 that says
>> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/da= te I'm
>> writing them down) =A0You can leave them out of course, if context= makes
>> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does.
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejsypa
>>
>> _
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, a= nd kept track of
>> > some
>> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or = what pants
>> > I
>> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence = that I
>> > might
>> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In eng= lish, I
>> > might
>> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while we= aring my "third" pair
>> > of
>> > pants.
>> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use =A0{ p= a mai } for "first" because
>> > it
>> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first= that i
>> > mention
>> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say
>> > { le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1"
>> > { le re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2"= ;
>> > { le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1"
>> > { le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2&quo= t;
>> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a bette= r way?
>> >
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