From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCFx5PqBBoEeWVoFw@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 29 20:05:48 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjOXn-0005jL-Le; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:48 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf2859161gyb.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dH/ENL5ZGN1zvS+VWqViLjl36Rs8HmkYS1xlU0Iw3cc=; b=OjpIZhe/ra+8SEg8zuXbYxz0gRc5JAsjjzU7F1jOuktOURJpwjYmjsm9nZBWkNStQe XriCh0fJskLcCWrl3MR8ueR/VO62KD+G7HgwTRrIU+n+hI3VMvcINmCm+mT455UNTfio lM57PY6C6w5iHt8RUTfwglUP2MI+GS8uGmvxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mWcO1wr7XvRqwJGSEi7a4RR+jLzKdqpMk5YzO4vIKRJoS48n6cYfQLBuPScU/Jz/fH XpAovsB6X6c8c7DLEjwPlO22FrjVsd9Yy//wK8Ac2PqdPlQAtMz8/VIt3bS1BYZmTzW0 7N2MB3id3PZ+eOR7Vs2iUkrPiGVaRddcMyJDs= Received: by 10.100.206.12 with SMTP id d12mr154109ang.43.1296360325733; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls2217809ibi.2.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr2236043ibb.3.1296360324818; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr2236042ibb.3.1296360324685; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si4677247ibb.1.2011.01.29.20.05.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by iwn38 with SMTP id 38so5880118iwn.22 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.241.74 with SMTP id ld10mr6100146icb.20.1296360323468; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:05:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549b4994ccff049b0868e2 --20cf30549b4994ccff049b0868e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It changes based on the digit; they each have different rafsi. I'd say no to {la ...} unless you name your pants. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Oren wrote: > oooh, I like the subscript idea. is there any reason to dismiss any of the > following? > > {lo palkuxipav } > {le palkuxipav } > {la palkuxipav } > > ...also, I assume the appended "v" is there for a reason... does that > change depending on the digit? > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >> You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing named 'One >> Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. I >> thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. jbofi'e however, >> likes it). Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the thing named >> {whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what you >> want. (personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd go >> with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. Don't understand why "lo >> pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...) >> --gejyspa >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren wrote: >> > Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with { le pa palku }? >> How >> > would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct? >> > { le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long. >> > I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say: >> > { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant" >> > { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one" >> > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> No,. no no. That doesn't work. "le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one >> >> route" "le (or lo) pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. Don't >> >> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it >> >> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says >> >> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm >> >> writing them down) You can leave them out of course, if context makes >> >> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does. >> >> --gejsypa >> >> >> >> _ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: >> >> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of >> >> > some >> >> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what >> pants >> >> > I >> >> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I >> >> > might >> >> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I >> >> > might >> >> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" >> pair >> >> > of >> >> > pants. >> >> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use { pa mai } for "first" >> because >> >> > it >> >> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i >> >> > mention >> >> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say >> >> > { le pa pluta } "That first route; Route 1" >> >> > { le re pluta } "That second/other route; Route 2" >> >> > { le pa palku } "Those first pants; Pants 1" >> >> > { le re palku } "Those second/other pants; Pants 2" >> >> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> > Groups >> >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Oren Robinson >> > (315) 569-2888 >> > 102 Morrison Ave >> > Somerville, MA 02144 >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Oren Robinson > (315) 569-2888 > 102 Morrison Ave > Somerville, MA 02144 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30549b4994ccff049b0868e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It changes based on the digit; they each have different rafsi.
I'd = say no to {la ...} unless you name your pants.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Oren <<= a href=3D"mailto:get.oren@gmail.com">get.oren@gmail.com> wrot= e:
oooh, I like the subscript= idea. is there any reason to dismiss any of the following?

<= div> {lo palkuxipav }
{le palkuxipav }
{la palkuxipav }

...also, I assume the appended &q= uot;v" is there for a reason... does that change depending on the digi= t?

On Sa= t, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing n= amed 'One
Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. =A0I<= br> thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. =A0jbofi'= e however,
likes it). =A0Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the t= hing named
{whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what yo= u
want. =A0(personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd g= o
with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. =A0Don't understand = why "lo
pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with =A0{ le pa palku }= ? How
> would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct?
> =A0{ le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long.
> I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say:
> { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant"
> { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one"
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> =A0No,. no no. =A0That doesn't work. =A0"le pa pluta"= ; ONLY means "the one
>> route" =A0"le (or lo) =A0pamoi pluta" is the correc= t one to use. =A0Don't
>> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what se= t it
>> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and= an x3 that says
>> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/da= te I'm
>> writing them down) =A0You can leave them out of course, if context= makes
>> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does.
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejsypa
>>
>> _
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, a= nd kept track of
>> > some
>> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or = what pants
>> > I
>> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence = that I
>> > might
>> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In eng= lish, I
>> > might
>> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while we= aring my "third" pair
>> > of
>> > pants.
>> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use =A0{ p= a mai } for "first" because
>> > it
>> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first= that i
>> > mention
>> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say
>> > { le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1"
>> > { le re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2"= ;
>> > { le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1"
>> > { le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2&quo= t;
>> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a bette= r way?
>> >
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