From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCR5pbpBBoEvhbBcQ@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 04:18:44 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Paong-0004Qp-Kh; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:43 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf18023968wyb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l7auJmQTnpcRKc/BWlFX22sLM0xapxrFrwFOSQQdjDs=; b=iy1MlRH+KuZostb3slfRl32Wxiua1UT2p8mOD9uiEem1GprxJ+kujLEEdtc4t4Qfdz N7jXyGxLky7+Xm0rPCqv0YgTyHetAOez9UAOyWZ1l9ONpDyyFSpAAaly4BSAkR5/fdTf VwlDS0QYpGW0S/Moc1dCzvswnzFAYnxbqQOWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kTEWQDTyEDWKdPCR6WkhG+r7loMM3hxjHF3nTvL0M+0t2OxB432ALDbKLKeCVyld+O 9QJZaHT5zHhs0Yd7WJaiag41pVmJ/6I1PP80npVs+bQknoGRrNWxbaIhWJ7trGQU20km tRSkxs6h0311DKMYYMS8Jyv3N+wGkkZ3wGHEE= Received: by 10.216.165.83 with SMTP id d61mr3281568wel.3.1294316305414; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.226.148 with SMTP id b20ls9573816weq.0.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.36.12 with SMTP id v12mr32252wea.7.1294316304382; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.36.12 with SMTP id v12mr32251wea.7.1294316304355; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l26si2021407weq.6.2011.01.06.04.18.23; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.50; Received: by mail-ww0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 26so17389253wwf.19 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.198.198 with SMTP id ep6mr8958915wbb.202.1294316302878; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.72 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 04:18:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:18:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Implied {ko} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ok, so maybe it was a poor example. =A0How about {lo se danlu be lo gerku= cu > se zbasu zo'e lo lanbi joi lo djacu joi li'o}. (You need some sumti after the last "joi". "li'o" is a UI, not a KOhA.) >=A0If I said this in a room > full of biologists the obvious {zo'e} is {zi'o}. =A0I seem to remember se= eing > an example like this somewhere or other. When you say things like "the obvious {zo'e} is {zi'o}" you are thinking that the word "zo'e" is replacing some other word. But it is not. "zo'e" is a word with referents, provided by the context. "zi'o" is not such a thing. > So are you saying that {zo'e} is=A0inappropriate=A0here? I would say "zbasu" is the one that is inappropriate, since that is not the relationship that they want to claim. > Also, I'm a little uneasy about the fact that it sounds like you're sayin= g > that {mi citka noda} is something very similar to {mi na citka}. What about it makes you uneasy? They are indeed very similar, practically identical in meaning: no da zo'u mi citka da =3D naku su'o da zo'u mi citka da mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.