From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCYy5fpBBoEHthiSg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 07:54:24 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PasAP-0003Yj-62; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:54:24 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf18207555wyb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:54:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ib+DQFBinRw3JyoGcJzR+HvpGvqVq36Odax45PDg9Og=; b=sIAWJOG2T5pTmZLW0eF7VG+ZjDAayGp9ql8eQTuClEFTQPqlovRFEjP1/Z/6hCy09k 25+x4/LvKkJNSG1TFczCTgj4eTXo7R845srT0a6g+u3+AhrpfrIO5D3uW5G0CJ5j3y0F E++1GY41xC3bFmURxHf/3Oadg3knujyNGImG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qey26m/NhNB4sbUcODfP0Ee3+jV+Obc1L/KqDZlso3WMn3y/xdxPHaW8Eq/QniFKUb jw92FVL5KOJPqls2yYtPqgd0h/y3btqFA/BKGwp6qYv6HTIZ9+6mPeDf2WMCPnsd1Ulb LwB5BnbDfojlySIGR6gW3nZjJzUuLdykYFsYA= Received: by 10.216.187.139 with SMTP id y11mr152316wem.20.1294329240323; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.10.75 with SMTP id 51ls1085676eeu.6.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.80 with SMTP id c56mr270112eei.10.1294329239011; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.80 with SMTP id c56mr270111eei.10.1294329238987; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ew0-f49.google.com (mail-ew0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 41si539789ees.5.2011.01.06.07.53.57; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.49; Received: by ewy20 with SMTP id 20so7359913ewy.8 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.108.208 with SMTP id g16mr18087131ebp.40.1294329237747; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.28.73 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:53:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Implied {ko} From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf18470369d04992f82a3 --0015174bf18470369d04992f82a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was thinking of the far-fetched scenario of being tortured and having to beg to have it stop. Every syllable makes a difference. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Alex Rozenshteyn > wrote: > > Simply asked, can a statement like {sisti} be used to mean {ko sisti}? > > I see no reason why not, as long as the speaker acknowledges that the > listener may be able to (depending on the situation) infer other valid > meanings. > > One of the beauty of Lojban is that you can be ambiguous at will. > I assume you're not suggesting to change the rule that says that a > single brivla is to ne intended as an observative. so I would read it > as "look! what a stop!" Now, maybe the context of you speaking to > me,with nobody else could make me think tha you actually meant {zo'e > sisti} and, with another jump of fantasy, I could also imagine you > refer to me. But personally i would never think you had assumed {ko}! > Why should i? > > I don't get what problem are you trying to solve by not using {ko} > could you elaborate on that? > > > mi'e remod mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174bf18470369d04992f82a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was thinking of the far-fetched scenario of being tortured and having to = beg to have it stop.

Every syllable makes a difference.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> Simply asked, can a statement like {sisti} be used to mean {ko sisti}?=
> I see no reason why not, as long as the speaker acknowledges that the = listener may be able to (depending on the situation) infer other valid mean= ings.

One of the beauty of Lojban is that you can be ambiguous at will.
I assume you're not suggesting to change the rule that says that a
single brivla is to ne intended as an observative. so I would read it
as "look! what a stop!" Now, maybe the context of you speaking to=
me,with nobody else could make me think tha you actually meant {zo'e sisti} and, with another jump of fantasy, I could also imagine you
refer to me. But personally i would never think you had assumed {ko}!
Why should i?

I don't get what problem are you trying to solve by not using {ko}
could you elaborate on that?


mi'e remod mu'o

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