From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCEvJjpBBoEGbPaHw@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 11:55:06 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PavvH-0006ey-6j; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:55:05 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf55644185qyk.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+9QysFJ0JMF43spQWkqvw9ER/4h9EagkUoGoYb0ctSE=; b=yWCK+jw9h8QT2E6QeAELcC0V0tgyM64aC/DGCsMaVhl+CzdU8ITHDMeO0hcJlx7V9A 78NIq3baSu89U88/DtE9drcPp/Xb/oVCIYbUsCoMS+z5XvXcHxnpue0zKkPF43vCNpK0 XGJI2C2JVy1Lx64aWjJWehX6MB7bRpC+z7eXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sq9BsNbAS7V/DYwc+YZJpDcEwwzWcWBMjGtbYHQypaWZak3mvRaPR8W7k6wSnugmG/ kJGqZKKeHGkflOTG1LDl+awJ2P8dG2WchLlPSYygRpTWyCK3bdHpkv/fvV9wZGWoI8aa lWdKC9qRENBemMHBS2PTWzpSQjPuKfe2HjApU= Received: by 10.224.53.209 with SMTP id n17mr848803qag.35.1294343684842; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.176.70 with SMTP id bd6ls3940993qab.5.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.54.72 with SMTP id p8mr2282083qag.14.1294343684376; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.54.72 with SMTP id p8mr2282082qag.14.1294343684362; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f195.google.com (mail-qy0-f195.google.com [209.85.216.195]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 19si4603283qci.9.2011.01.06.11.54.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.195; Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so4606354qyk.10 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.230.198 with SMTP id jn6mr16708359qcb.61.1294343683084; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:54:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110106173805.GB27821@alice.local> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] non-cmevla cmene From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has nothing to do with dotside. Regardless of dotside. Extra interword pauses are always allowed. When a brivla is used as a cmene, if it's followed by another brivla, they will form a tanru.... both "la blabi" and "la blabi ractu" are valid cmene. In order to prevent it, you have to terminate the la (it terminates with ku when it consists of a selbri, as here) either explicitily, or put in a cu to terminate it implicitly. --gejyspa On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wro= te: > If I read that correctly, that's the same thing I understood jbofi'e to > opine. > > I guess part of what I'm asking is about the extent of dotside. > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:38 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:34:44PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >> > =A0 =A0[1]There really was an Alice, but Wonderland is a figment of th= e >> > =A0 =A0imagination. >> > >> > =A0 =A0{la .alis. je'a zasti .i ku'i la .selmacygu'e. xanri po'o} >> > >> > =A0 =A0But jbofi'e complains that {la} is not terminated. >> > >> >> camxes opines: >> >> la .alis. je'a zasti .i ku'i la .selmacygu'e. xanri po'o >> text >> =A0 paragraph >> =A0 |- sentence >> =A0 | =A0|- sumti6 >> =A0 | =A0| =A0|- CMAVO >> =A0 | =A0| =A0| =A0 =A0 LA: la >> =A0 | =A0| =A0|- CMENE >> =A0 | =A0| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0cmene: alis >> =A0 | =A0|- tanruUnit2 >> =A0 | =A0 =A0 |- CMAVO >> =A0 | =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0 NAhE: je'a >> =A0 | =A0 =A0 |- BRIVLA >> =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 gismu: zasti >> =A0 |- IClause >> =A0 | =A0|- CMAVO >> =A0 | =A0| =A0 =A0 I: i >> =A0 | =A0|- CMAVO >> =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UI: ku'i >> =A0 |- sumti6 >> =A0 =A0 =A0|- CMAVO >> =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 LA: la >> =A0 =A0 =A0|- selbri3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 |- BRIVLA >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0 lujvo: selmacygu'e >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 |- BRIVLAClause >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0|- BRIVLA >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 gismu: xanri >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0|- CMAVO >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UI: po'o >> >> >> -Alan >> -- >> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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