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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Define "define" References: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2011 19:19:50 Luke Bergen wrote: > >>so why not selvla? > > I think to define is to specify the meaning, but I don't know how to > say "specify". smuxu'a? or selsnixu'a xusra seems the best word for a "definition" as used in the field of logic. I also think skicu would be a better verb than catke (which seems poorly metaphorical for what a definition is doing), if xusra isn't suitable. >We have "specific", but not "specify". What does "specify" mean (other than as a pretentious word for 'say')? %^) I'm not sure whether it is really all that close to either to the concepts specific or species as used in the gismu list We also have "ca'e", which incidentally gives two more possible lujvo in its definition, though I don't think either is necessarily the best possible. Those lujvo are based on a definition being a "limit" on the range of meaning, which may be what you are conceptually trying for in using "specify". lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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