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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Define "define" References: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Luke Bergen wrote: > This brings up another question for me though. In general, if I have a > lujvo like {zanfri} and then I coin a new lujvo like {selzanfri}... > would it be understood as {sel (zanfri)} which would be something like > "a favorable happening"? Or would it be understood as {(selzan)fri} > which would be something like... well I guess I'd still interpret that > as a favorable happening. But my question is: if there is a well > understood lujvo with 3 or 4 slots, and then someone comes along and > makes a new lujvo with {sel} or some such tacked on to the front, should > I read that lujvo as {se } or as a brand new lujvo where the > {sel} applies to the first rafsi and not the whole lujvo? The default should be that it probably applies to the first word, because you can do selkem-- to force the longer scope. BUT Zipf doesn't support adding in superfluous extra terms, so if the short scope "se" has so obvious meaning, while the longer scope "se" has a meaning that would make sense in the context, I would presume the longer scope. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.