From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCwi-DqBBoEklqlUw@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 08:24:41 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PoekU-0003PL-Vh; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:40 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf4503843wyb.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=b8eR7KN4xgRcSgSk9i8IS3QHAW9G69pNNhwtiECzddA=; b=uV7IlQp4k4UvAE7DSER6uayVrsqj6ySLQqR6tnUyDKaPMQoyaKnkOrEZN/akFJSfnV 6ujeoenCkhJ+X7QeW/wi64QGih72PdX9BEJOgA4GYaOj6f2o5kPq6R2SGn28xgZ1CjmL 5/JQWzX0TtamiBbl1UgzCeQmxzL1h4N8caEJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=AIiFV6lsdkD7XmgZpdcFxyRzBHovRiRORVQuWbBB59QjpgQTZsqx8KiHDx3MV+v5HK bP20Redg6k1Z6QrNoQRDHW9KkAeVEOUSR0wsqTSFH8wKXkGu2WfwQ+otzo0gazLTW8QI 3r/PHnZd7CmbOQP4HcWI7bHoN2tGpna4nF2To= Received: by 10.216.173.131 with SMTP id v3mr528788wel.22.1297614256908; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.64.200 with SMTP id c50ls1191096wed.1.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.15.84 with SMTP id e62mr158154wee.0.1297614255892; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.15.84 with SMTP id e62mr158153wee.0.1297614255865; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h6si175169wes.11.2011.02.13.08.24.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so3941209wwi.34 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.135.129 with SMTP id n1mr1794011wbt.19.1297614255636; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102131028.57376.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201102131028.57376.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:24:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ma poi / noi ... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 10 February 2011 16:28:49 tijlan wrote: >> Which one is better for the interrogative "which ....": "poi" or >> "noi"? For example: >> >> Which car do you use? >> do pilno ma ___ karce > > "poi". I think "do pilno ma poi karce" would expect an answer like "lo marce", i.e. something more general than cars that can be restricted to cars: "mi pilno lo marce poi karce", "I use a vehicle which is a car". > "do pilno ma noi karce" I can answer with anything that I use, but if > it's not a car, you asked the question wrong. But the answer has to take into account the full form of the question, so I would say it's the answer that is wrong, not the question. I think the question is just slightly odd in that it doesn't seem to have very natural answers. > "lo karce poi mo" and "lo karce > po'u ma" and "lo mo karce" are also good; the answers to "mo" will be > different from those to "ma". "lo ma karce" is "Whose car?". Yes, "lo ma karce" is closer to "Whose car?", but not exactly the same, since "ma" could be any sumti, not just a reference to a person, so you could answer "lo ma karce" with "lo spofu tergu'i". "Which car?" "The one with the broken light". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.