From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCGtPXqBBoEQKktiw@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 17 09:25:47 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pq7bs-0000oX-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:47 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf2118466gyb.16 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ro6sxYISpB+FGZCX3PZ1B0BJLBrB018peVr5/3ystV8=; b=I347uhzCCdAjGtbi6ljnzjo4+6VqzFMk1SUZk5xok2sSSux/N9y7jyMQvC2pz6GiOn 3Pc2SMXSUkSIq7jqEJjX8WMU9GUbvssvw4U3ffXKj3q1ruRls1PGgXivqii358CiGiLq ad9IpGoUEr/QkX59YGSWKOZ4fX3puCFjlUnJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=6nJKKm4NyeB0XdjYnp45V22V+GS4zdI8+W54qyNHQwhIlRPlyVNL2x7gPrqnceza8/ FuJvPEiCfWTTFYj2JktvQERXyT48O1+G+p7ZlI5b3iNX2si1SrzhduT/FPVAeuF+SfT7 Zii7Wis/XE+IOvsb53ccWgJ+FlBTdDRprhtrc= Received: by 10.150.51.7 with SMTP id y7mr298702yby.61.1297963526734; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls1938367ibi.2.p; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.8 with SMTP id bk8mr235816icb.53.1297963526096; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.8 with SMTP id bk8mr235815icb.53.1297963526078; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f180.google.com (mail-iy0-f180.google.com [209.85.210.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si188187ict.4.2011.02.17.09.25.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.180; Received: by mail-iy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 42so2633568iyh.11 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.132.193 with SMTP id e1mr3176285ict.95.1297963525881; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.141.67 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:25:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102171818.34370.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <201102171818.34370.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Sarcasm From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: Krzysztof Sobolewski X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bc797e44095049c7daece --90e6ba5bc797e44095049c7daece Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As I understand it, it is *verbotten* to use cnivla sarcastically; I recall reading this somewhere, but I don't remember where. I've been thinking of {je'unai} as useful for indicating that the meaning of an utterance is [intended to be] contrary to what is actually said, and I guess {.ui je'unai} could be equivalent to a very flat "Yay.", even though the semantic relation between two adjacent cnivla aren't clearly defined (intentionally). 2011/2/17 Krzysztof Sobolewski > Is there a cmavo for sarcasm? > > I recently found myself writing something like this: > > ko'a broda ko'e ko'i .ui .ui > > Would that be perceived as a sarcastic expression of happiness? ;) > -- > Ecce Jezuch > "Peace sells - > But who's buying?" - D. Mustaine > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba5bc797e44095049c7daece Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand it, it is verbotten to use cnivla sarcastically; I r= ecall reading this somewhere, but I don't remember where.

I'= ve been thinking of {je'unai} as useful for indicating that the meaning= of an utterance is [intended to be] contrary to what is actually said, and= I guess {.ui je'unai} could be equivalent to a very flat "Yay.&qu= ot;, even though the semantic relation between two adjacent cnivla aren'= ;t clearly defined (intentionally).

2011/2/17 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>
Is there a cmavo for sarcasm?

I recently found myself writing something like this:

ko'a broda ko'e ko'i .ui .ui

Would that be perceived as a sarcastic expression of happiness? ;)
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But who's buying?" - D. Mustaine



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