From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCn2PXqBBoEYhyxiA@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 17 10:43:10 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pq8oj-0004x8-GT; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:43:09 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf2173220gwb.16 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gqYPHhAqRGTnoLKa049N0p44JpnDvkElkjThT4L6zEY=; b=Nyala4jfsDp7kLaZkyArUj9xr3FazTpHoVhBA+6ZPwn7jC3PMpHjyi1k6MyyBwK2Bw fMla0S65swEYbngE4iSOn6LbVk1OMWR17Q+8uxP6y9Y0Zg88CReSwYlybaiGFmH2Evwi NY+Hm4urMRAeRgfooAsRwSGhATzfFzedZfNEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LxHQ/yr5iKyz8cTB4m1baDSHLfnzElayPO7RDyq+OvCH2bIXylp94wt/I2yKwUvCBz TrXld/rGhpbIe8FmrKtQLEGSOEMorJ9r+GLA2ys9pJjT496ldDhHBN2EbyZ/GfWy9LtC s5w6U/pWiIbIAR2EsATKhS6u+AfLsm/qO//Ew= Received: by 10.100.7.1 with SMTP id 1mr128723ang.31.1297968167852; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.29.16 with SMTP id c16ls333161anc.5.p; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.57.16 with SMTP id f16mr803912ana.27.1297968167267; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.57.16 with SMTP id f16mr803910ana.27.1297968167200; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gy0-f180.google.com (mail-gy0-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c30si353974anc.9.2011.02.17.10.42.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.180; Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so2801570gya.25 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.4.199 with SMTP id 7mr3373333ict.229.1297968166986; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.141.67 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:42:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: ".arpis." To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450165af85e279049c7ec3af --0050450165af85e279049c7ec3af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm wondering about the usage of {roda} in lojban. In English, at least, "everything" and "everyone" carry an implicit restriction; AFAIK lojban does not do that, which makes {roda} without explicit restriction either factually incorrect in most cases or useful only in very precise conversation. This has gotten me thinking more about the semantics of {da}. I seem to recall that {da}'s binding has bridi scope. If I say {da prenu} without a prenex, am I commenting on the existence of a man {si} person (to'i damn sexist language creeping in when I don't think toi)? If I say {roda prenu} without a prenex, am I saying that all "things" in the world are people? Can I use {ko'a} without having explicitly assigned it e.g. {ko'a noi pendo mi co'e} instead of {ko'a goi lo pendo be mi co'e}? -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0050450165af85e279049c7ec3af Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering about the usage of {roda} in lojban.=A0 In English, at le= ast, "everything" and "everyone" carry an implicit rest= riction; AFAIK lojban does not do that, which makes {roda} without explicit= restriction either factually incorrect in most cases or useful only in ver= y precise conversation.

This has gotten me thinking more about the semantics of {da}. I seem to= recall that {da}'s binding has bridi scope.
If I say {da prenu} wit= hout a prenex, am I commenting on the existence of a man {si} person (to= 9;i damn sexist language creeping in when I don't think toi)?
If I say {roda prenu} without a prenex, am I saying that all "things&q= uot; in the world are people?
Can I use {ko'a} without having explic= itly assigned it e.g. {ko'a noi pendo mi co'e} instead of {ko'a= goi lo pendo be mi co'e}?


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