From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDWyPvqBBoEdvGKCg@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 18 13:28:13 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqXs0-00010j-2O; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:28:12 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf3477478wwb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2nRLtBiDnbDd8tUkQfkzyITj57RpLsOoLksrb8UHIAM=; b=KRGCVS9JPbJRdRa+QnHcVk8+C66eSQepWnpdWgSMjXsSJ3aW+ne996pLx1fEYUznp2 bGjsr2xd2FV4cgn+D0MRZVRf9/F6zAUWG+XsAsYpaoYmngCI+6spG1YoAKbFfwrtw3r1 g4dAonJcOpfqc2uWOVa9Qm/DWLGz+U9y8FEa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=7H4uGy9Z3I1Jo81nuinRH8+Qyos/bZ/7zLQjc939u6VC01IQ3V8EzhFK1kFOm4lb/i +9WgWZbkuRX1BDZihF6ApNP+Jsk2uXYx/DDKCAQ6ESKYlKcG3M5O5yHqO3Lngq2mxYBN ObJZTCs3jLYB/asiL2L2xOJgOsY8J5j2rNaLw= Received: by 10.216.167.81 with SMTP id h59mr357887wel.21.1298064470599; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.28.219 with SMTP id n27ls1311987wbc.2.p; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.156.193 with SMTP id y1mr72011wbw.10.1298064469374; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.156.193 with SMTP id y1mr72010wbw.10.1298064469355; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2si570124wbc.3.2011.02.18.13.27.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by wyb28 with SMTP id 28so4204319wyb.33 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.132.149 with SMTP id b21mr1159125wbt.48.1298064468216; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:27:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28379654.1304.1297380220015.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prcm35> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:27:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] translation check on zo-related quote From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> > {x1 broda fi x2} should be able to be interpreted as {x1 broda [zi'o | >> > zo'e >> > | zu'i] x3} pe'icai >> >> Due to the bloated nature of many gismu definitions, that is probably >> inevitable. > > You say that like it's some dreadful thing. It is, to some extent. Dreadfully clumsy, at least. > If there are bridi that could > use {zi'o} (and I assume that there are because otherwise what's the poin= t > of having a zi'o word at all if you're never really being correct by usin= g > it), then there are going to be times when you're being lazy or in a hurr= y > and want to leave it up to context.=A0 I don't understand what's so > undesirable about that. It's undesirable that there are gismu that need it. That indicates to me that their definition was not very well thought out. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.