From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCwooTrBBoEih8Lfw@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 20 05:04:02 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pr8xD-0003zC-0A; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:04:02 -0800 Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34sf949062vxc.16 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=QsRxF2x9nHVeGG5lhcD0lsk5CV0hit5iu5+5oCBPLT8=; b=2123UDDbz2w7d1InJ/aEeYWjssCJGS9NP6fkphLibB3NLhnVMcygj2bBTYLKikaB6m M2GIUs7cyziVCA6hFPZ1Bmik1wh/FTMu2g/MK+tXuJdGECC99StLHgpt3xu1HQu6zAfy M9j1rwBvRe9vNHjYdxp7X5yF030ofKM/zrI/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=gpMTB5XTJEX6Ao3J4OAvT8QMktM16r6t420WMLd9Bf58PMdsKA6Ydo9QQ+VImFuGzs FV5OFDTPLGIgLFn/2Xni5LTaJIl8zzJ7ZayGXgebjvFuqbbsXMAdT/Gj6UrG3Jb1E46/ YIoo/CwEsGu3xZeU7CBbvAhJExfjuA5LD9jGY= Received: by 10.220.182.9 with SMTP id ca9mr17050vcb.33.1298207024950; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls1069551vcp.0.p; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.194.7 with SMTP id dw7mr61964vcb.7.1298207024014; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.194.7 with SMTP id dw7mr61963vcb.7.1298207023986; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x13si677784vcr.15.2011.02.20.05.03.43; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=Ubv3xljnCsIA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=mGCXFKOGhit6zEVe7p8A:9 a=eeSiLpMWwzvxK9LIoror9n0CJnMA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51220] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AA/D9-07087-E21116D4; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:03:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62906D4E3 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:03:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102200803.35938.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 20 February 2011 03:57:31 Remo Dentato wrote: > The easiest, quick&dirty solution that come to my mind is to mandate that > an unboud {di} is NOT context dependent while {da} and {de} might be > context dependent. The "EVERYTHING" in logic sense $\forall x : > isapple(x)$ would be {rodi plise}. I don't particularly like it, but it > seems rather harmless to me. "da", "de", and "di" all mean the same except that they're different variables. If you want to be context dependent, you can say "ro zo'e". > I mean that the case when "all" is bound from the context is much more > common than the case where it means "EVERYTHING". > Note how we have to use the uppercase trick to specify we do not mean the > usual "everything" but a specific "everything" whose meaning, by the way, > is specified by the context of the discussion we are having. I think that your "is specified by the context of the discussion" means the same as my "universe of discourse". For example, if Matthew 14:20 said "ro da citka gi'e tolxagjybi'o", I would understand that the people, the bread, the fish, the boat, the sea, and maybe even John the Baptist's head all ate and were satisfied, but not the earth's core or the star Sirius. Is that what you meant? Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.