From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCRlonrBBoExGs12A@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 03:23:17 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PrTrD-0001wU-VQ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:23:16 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf2798977gxk.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:23:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oKq27NHM0vOIVzrGGiC8nEaqMwgRRb6uZZ/Kwp7hk0A=; b=bkj6EaWUZeoUezYT+5/9aAERn46BXfwFSbdKLJ9mcduuAEqugv9b4cT0jdIpmSwSE4 Ql3qAVpjy2N5V9DuXRqiwKhPNjQfaMQfspsw9bqch/ea1nSKEoPldNP6sjZpD9mGnfRt ZkEdsvjTpEz5W2nhfqqj5tHFTdQkG2wILlJCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=r2HWh2WGTkHI4ivQNr+gjj+8BbL3rnHrCtaDwmYJwG21g1ISfDjLUN1yChak1wnB7R flokLBEAeo8DOPZoFX6L3WlK2FUKXwhsCXgbGYVqydfCBsfadDd5Y6nF6tAj4yVDj28B VGNbIkidDB95UG8TkzEN5XhXT9jRpGP/+78Cc= Received: by 10.151.38.7 with SMTP id q7mr196974ybj.30.1298287377960; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls4911216ibh.0.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr376849iba.12.1298287377062; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr376848iba.12.1298287377020; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si1145363ibu.2.2011.02.21.03.22.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 42so2816554iwl.18 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.179.3 with SMTP id bo3mr1837728icb.28.1298287376751; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.141.67 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:22:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <79730dd5-ff4e-4372-aab5-73ff6e023518@k18g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> References: <79730dd5-ff4e-4372-aab5-73ff6e023518@k18g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Complicated tenses From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: tijlan X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e85fce85bf4049cc91584 --90e6ba6e85fce85bf4049cc91584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://dag.github.com/cll/10/25/ is the usage I had in mind. How should one say "ko'a sits 5 meters to the left"? How do you differentiate between something happening once in an interval (e.g. a woman's period comes every 30 days) vs something happening with an exact time difference (e.g. my graph theory homework is due every 7 days, which happens to be every Monday)? On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:34 AM, tijlan wrote: > On Feb 21, 3:23 am, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > {di'i} means regularly (over the time interval specified). Is there a > way > > to be more specific about the time between occurrences? e.g. some event > > happens every 23 days? > > da broda pa roi reci djedi > > "pa roi reci djedi" is one grammatical unit attached to the bridi "da > broda". In this "PA roi SUMTI" construct, SUMTI specifies the interval > over which the count PA is true. > > djedi2 is "one" by default, so "reci djedi" makes "twenty-three of > that which is one full day in duration". Also correct may be "reci > seldei", "a duration which is twenty-three full days". In both cases, > "reci" quantifies a semantic body of a temporal interval, which is > what "pa roi" takes. > > > > Also, is it just me, or do termsets for explicit magnitudes, especially > > single element ones for explicit distance with vague origin, seem really > > awkward? > > If by "termsets" you mean CEhE, PEhE, NUhI and NUhU, the zasni gerna > (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=zasni+gerna+cenba > +vreji) proposes that they be eliminated except for some special case. > > Could you remind me of an example of the usage in question? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e85fce85bf4049cc91584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://dag.github.com/cll/10/2= 5/ is the usage I had in mind.

How should one say "ko'a= sits 5 meters to the left"?

How do you differentiate between s= omething happening once in an interval (e.g. a woman's period comes eve= ry 30 days) vs something happening with an exact time difference (e.g. my g= raph theory homework is due every 7 days, which happens to be every Monday)= ?



On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:34 AM, tij= lan <jboti= jlan@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:23=A0am, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglove...@gmail.com> wrote:
> {di'i} means regularly (over the time interval specified). =A0Is t= here a way
> to be more specific about the time between occurrences? =A0e.g. some e= vent
> happens every 23 days?

da broda pa roi reci djedi

"pa roi reci djedi" is one grammatical unit attached to the bridi= "da
broda". In this "PA roi SUMTI" construct, SUMTI specifies th= e interval
over which the count PA is true.

djedi2 is "one" by default, so "reci djedi" makes "= ;twenty-three of
that which is one full day in duration". Also correct may be "rec= i
seldei", "a duration which is twenty-three full days". In bo= th cases,
"reci" quantifies a semantic body of a temporal interval, which i= s
what "pa roi" takes.


> Also, is it just me, or do termsets for explicit magnitudes, especiall= y
> single element ones for explicit distance with vague origin, seem real= ly
> awkward?

If by "termsets" you mean CEhE, PEhE, NUhI and NUhU, the za= sni gerna
(http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dzas= ni+gerna+cenba
+vreji) proposes that they be eliminated except for some special case.

Could you remind me of an example of the usage in question?

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