From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxC-vYnrBBoEFf1HCA@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 04:47:12 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PrVAS-0001y6-NM; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:47:12 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf218848vxc.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:47:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=zoxvcxGt0cE0IsbKvifTgvoJ6+VCrINfJ9CUPiE3EcY=; b=AuIAhuFyFZtRzdTwt6c9mrvccnxnc4AazFrKubpazbqgqWOvFxLHcrwX4HL0PUhSVc 2/CtSWyzJbttuhvCwrUaFurNe1O8lf7WwGznHL1cFPS0RyT1rHMxk3d4uCYY+VN6gG5P YZLu566iCtxgWzzl18u49FiZZySiSVybzv6rA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=1518+NVIJ04xglTX9RO9vDvQAkSdNmp56KUz5J3LNhDLlcn2h/np3mvnzev/yTucj/ 0yX6NnloEL0hoIhaQ8mLfyC85JABm5lv1S42D4B/GMQCawTJnTCK5BmbSrg9H939OEFx aFvUDf4cjT85kMdm67VPtZfgUvs9EWSOmUyV0= Received: by 10.220.81.198 with SMTP id y6mr87321vck.3.1298292414541; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.53.138 with SMTP id m10ls1387107vcg.2.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.194 with SMTP id ff2mr313063vcb.5.1298292413460; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.194 with SMTP id ff2mr313062vcb.5.1298292413432; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si817063vcx.12.2011.02.21.04.46.49; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=fXlMEfB2W0sA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=UPNNmUjO8kI0Et9p9Z0A:9 a=dJNLjZIG-a3S9kD7w0gA:7 a=CVFUJbP_lIwH7INskmbnIJDr3uMA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:37608] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 28/DC-13137-9BE526D4; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DE02C38 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Complicated tenses Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:46:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102210746.43447.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 20 February 2011 22:23:39 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > {di'i} means regularly (over the time interval specified). Is there a way > to be more specific about the time between occurrences? e.g. some event > happens every 23 days? "di'i lo djedi be li reci". "di'i" is a tense marker; all tense markers (including the spatial ones) can also serve as prepositions. You can even connect two sentences with "idi'ibo", though that doesn't make much sense. "reci djedi" doesn't mean "an interval 23 days long"; it means "23 intervals each measured in days". "reci seldei" means "23 lengths of intervals measured in days". "paroi lo djedi be li reci" means "once in 23 days", but does not imply "at regular intervals". > Also, is it just me, or do termsets for explicit magnitudes, especially > single element ones for explicit distance with vague origin, seem really > awkward? Yes, they seem awkward. We've been using "za" followed by the interval and "pu" or "ba" followed by the origin. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.