From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhDR9InrBBoEfjc-Mw@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 06:46:36 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PrX1y-0002f6-FR; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:46:36 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf2947076gxk.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:46:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lzkr6AmhSwGbGKsxLwAipn9SzEuTDaKnuIOochGNgko=; b=NGq8kpjb2sKKHmFLnxL3L+1njB4x1SDNVkEbm49BXQFhJ2bpRKAsPvwhMzLNMAH0ze vzRcu5y7rHxhs+GSV7rn9rXwP4penQQGsSeKh6B9ITF9Uj71KB0OlCoC5oNm6WFwUbJ4 xDVY67FpyujrRVkYo+2+xEjYux0ap3OCNHwnM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nyGws6gYECQqCspvw846zUyqf90k0qSuKtgjmJ6CqKRfPt6RvG3VG96lrLYpOh+8sn 6dyqf4PDOPChs7z+xbAoj3xhApv/QuKZ/agLsx/aa8fnbw90SD5/sd8sR9vsEdOWhXMQ Bu2zxNS4GxTLBlPs6YmepsWFOsq4Jxc+R+bjE= Received: by 10.91.202.13 with SMTP id e13mr159090agq.28.1298299473778; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls4991629ibb.1.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with SMTP id ft4mr431043ibb.13.1298299473007; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with SMTP id ft4mr431042ibb.13.1298299472980; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si779338ict.4.2011.02.21.06.44.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 42so3083489iwl.4 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.219.137 with SMTP id hu9mr2032200icb.363.1298299472874; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.141.67 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:44:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102210746.43447.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201102210746.43447.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Complicated tenses From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: Pierre Abbat X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549fcbe48e2f049ccbe612 --20cf30549fcbe48e2f049ccbe612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 20 February 2011 22:23:39 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > {di'i} means regularly (over the time interval specified). Is there a > way > > to be more specific about the time between occurrences? e.g. some event > > happens every 23 days? > > "di'i lo djedi be li reci". "di'i" is a tense marker; all tense markers > (including the spatial ones) can also serve as prepositions. You can even > connect two sentences with "idi'ibo", though that doesn't make much sense. > > "reci djedi" doesn't mean "an interval 23 days long"; it means "23 > intervals > each measured in days". "reci seldei" means "23 lengths of intervals > measured > in days". "paroi lo djedi be li reci" means "once in 23 days", but does not > imply "at regular intervals". > > > Also, is it just me, or do termsets for explicit magnitudes, especially > > single element ones for explicit distance with vague origin, seem really > > awkward? > > Yes, they seem awkward. We've been using "za" followed by the interval > and "pu" or "ba" followed by the origin. > Instead of termsets, or in addition to termsets? 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On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma= .optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday 20 February 2011 22:23:39 Alex Rozenshteyn wrot= e:
> {di'i} means regularly (over the time interval specified). =A0Is t= here a way
> to be more specific about the time between occurrences? =A0e.g. some e= vent
> happens every 23 days?

"di'i lo djedi be li reci". "di'i" is a t= ense marker; all tense markers
(including the spatial ones) can also serve as prepositions. You can even connect two sentences with "idi'ibo", though that doesn't= make much sense.

"reci djedi" doesn't mean "an interval 23 days long"= ;; it means "23 intervals
each measured in days". "reci seldei" means "23 lengths= of intervals measured
in days". "paroi lo djedi be li reci" means "once in 23= days", but does not
imply "at regular intervals".

> Also, is it just me, or do termsets for explicit magnitudes, especiall= y
> single element ones for explicit distance with vague origin, seem real= ly
> awkward?

Yes, they seem awkward. We've been using "za" followed = by the interval
and "pu" or "ba" followed by the origin.
Instead of termsets, or in addition to termsets?=A0 Could you offer = an example?

Pierre
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