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From: KrabbyKrap To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: krabbykrap@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of krabbykrap@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=krabbykrap@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517510ef20dfe47049c99af71 --001517510ef20dfe47049c99af71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Oren wrote: > > Main drawbacks: > > - No way to "pause" for vacations, so cards can build up fast > > " I=92m going on holiday. Can I pause/freeze the scheduler? If you take a break from using Anki for a few days, it can be quite demotivating to be faced with a large number of cards to review upon your return. It is very natural to want to pause the scheduler, so that you come back to find Anki in the same state as you left it. However, a pause featur= e would actually do more harm than good, as while it=92s easy to pause a computer program, it=92s impossible to pause human memory. Consider taking a week long break, pausing the scheduler just before you leave and un-pausing just after you come back. Since the progress of all cards has been "frozen" for a week, a delay is applied to *every card in th= e deck*. In order to avoid catching up on the work you would have otherwise done during that time, you=92re increasing the chances of forgetting cards = for every single card in the deck. Not a great tradeoff. Anki schedules cards for review close to the time it thinks you will forget them. If you come back from a vacation and find there are 200 cards to review, Anki is telling you that those 200 cards need to be reviewed soon o= r you=92ll forget them. There is no way around this - the cards need to be studied or you=92ll forget. The best thing you can do is put on some good music and get stuck into the reviews, motivated by the knowledge that your hard work will pay off in the future. Note there is a *postpone* plugin available that reschedules the due cards over a specified number of days. It allows you to divide a large number of cards up over a period of days to work through, but you can accomplish the same thing by simply setting a quota of cards to study each day and studyin= g them. Anki works best if you can use it for a short period of time every day. Taking breaks means that you will inevitably have to do extra work when you return. The following tips can help you use Anki effectively: 1. Don=92t add too much material at once. Studying a large number of new ca= rds in one go creates spikes in the due cards graph. Anki sets the maximum number of new cards per day to 20. You=92re free to change this limit, b= ut bear in mind that the more cards you do per day, the more reviews you=92= ll have to do in the short term. 2. Consider doing no new cards in the week prior to your vacation, and only keeping up with your scheduled reviews. 3. Try to take Anki with you when you go away. Anki can be used on portable devices such as iPhones , PDAs, mobile phones etc. This issue has been talked about many times on the forums already. Please read those threads instead of starting yet another discussion on the issue. - http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=3D9982#p9982 - http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/68a9d3943331= 77e8 - http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/886c3c64a823= 8660 - http://groups.google.com/group/ankisrs/browse_thread/thread/3043f479c0fd= 827 - http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=3D1338&p=3D1" - http://ankisrs.net/docs/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.html > - No built-in multiple-choice function like smart.fm (yet!) > > " Can I do multiple-choice questions? Multiple choice questions are a poor learning tool for a number of reasons. The reason they are commonly used in an academic setting is because they ar= e easy to mark, and they allow the person studying to demonstrate their ability to recognize the correct answer even if they can=92t produce it themselves. Furthermore, good multiple choice questions have well chosen "distractors" = - answers that are similar to the correct answer. A computer can look for similary spelt words, but it is not capable of chosing good distractors for more complicated topics. If you are studying for a test and you have a sample test with a multiple choice question like the following: Q: What animal has a really long neck? A: 1. A monkey. 2. A giraffe. 3. A donkey. 4. A snail. Then that question should be rewritten in Anki as follows: Q: What animal has a really long neck? A: A giraffe. " > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:43, Nathan Hawks wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is probably my first post to the group. I had been using Smart.fm >> and had done a quick video showing how it works, which is why I just >> found out via a video comment that Smart.fm is closing its doors, and >> iKnow is becoming a paid product. >> >> I know there are other flash card alternatives but they all appear to >> be the exact opposite of "user friendly." 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On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.co= m> wrote:

Main drawbacks:
  • No way to "pause" for vacation= s, so cards can build up fast
= "

I=92m going on holiday. Can I pause/freeze the scheduler?

If you take a break from using Anki for a few d= ays, it can be quite demotivating to be faced with a large number of cards to review upon your return. It is very natural to want to pause the scheduler, so that you come back to find Anki in the same state as you left it. However, a pause featur= e would actually do more harm than good, as while it=92s easy to pause a comp= uter program, it=92s impossible to pause human memory.

Consider taking a week long break, pausing the = scheduler just before you leave and un-pausing just after you come back. Since the progress of all cards ha= s been "frozen" for a week, a delay is applied to every car= d in the deck. In order to avoid catching up on the work you would have otherwise done during that time, you=92re increasing the chances of forgetting cards for every si= ngle card in the deck. Not a great tradeoff.

Anki schedules cards for review close to the ti= me it thinks you will forget them. If you come back from a vacation and find there are 200 cards to revi= ew, Anki is telling you that those 200 cards need to be reviewed soon or you=92= ll forget them. There is no way around this - the cards need to be studied or you=92ll forget. The best thing you can do is put on some good music and ge= t stuck into the reviews, motivated by the knowledge that your hard work will pay off in the future.

Note there is a postpone plugin availa= ble that reschedules the due cards over a specified number of days. It allows you to divide a large number of cards up over a period of days to work through, but you can accomplish the same thing by simply setting a quota of cards to study each day and studyin= g them.

Anki works best if you can use it for a short p= eriod of time every day. Taking breaks means that you will inevitably have to do extra work when you return= . The following tips can help you use Anki effectively:

  1. Don=92t add too much material at once. Studying a large number of new cards in one go creates spikes in the due cards graph. Anki sets the maximum num= ber of new cards per day to 20. You=92re free to change this limit, but bear i= n mind that the more cards you do per day, the more reviews you=92ll have to= do in the short term.

  2. Consider doing no new cards in the week prior to your vacation, and only keeping up with your scheduled reviews.

  3. Try to take Anki with you when you go away. Anki can be used on portable devices such as iPhone= s, PDAs, mobile phones etc.

This issue has been talked about many times on = the forums already. Please read those threads instead of starting yet another discussion on the issue.

<= /div>
  • No built-= in multiple-choice function like smart.fm (yet!)
"

Can I do multip= le-choice questions?

Multiple choice questions are a po= or learning tool for a number of reasons. The reason they are commonly used in an academic setting is because they ar= e easy to mark, and they allow the person studying to demonstrate their abili= ty to recognize the correct answer even if they can=92t produce it themselves.=

Furthermore, good multiple choice = questions have well chosen "distractors" - answers that are similar to the correct answer. A computer can look for similary spelt words, but it is not capable of chosing good distractors for more complicated topics.

If you are studying for a test and you have a s= ample test with a multiple choice question like the following:

Q: What animal has a really long neck?

A: 1. A monkey. 2. A=
 giraffe. 3. A donkey. 4. A snail.

Then that question should be rewritten in Anki = as follows:

Q: What animal has a really long neck?

A: A giraffe.
"

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:43, Nathan H= awks <nhawks@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

This is probably my first post to the group. I had been using Smart.fm
and had done a quick video showing how it works, which is why I just
found out via a video comment that Smart.fm is closing its doors, and
iKnow is becoming a paid product.

I know there are other flash card alternatives but they all appear to
be the exact opposite of "user friendly." =A0Can somebody bust th= is myth
with a free, user-friendly alternative for flashcard Lojban learning?

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