From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRDrt43rBBoEkHEH4g@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 22:47:26 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Prm1p-0005de-QG; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:26 -0800 Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5sf3352471yxd.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id :in-reply-to:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=i2MTRz42kTNcYuqHwctPmrdvOgTUteZ9WrprTEuYgAw=; b=oGsDZgM1/ZSxmNGjbsGLaqANzq2X3GK489LcEQTsymmARhKZRMfwYg0SH5+TnLCXzq E4gPHEIk4WNu9vnWi+0odX1WlUvHDQ8dqXKOnaxeaNBT1t+8I2AvnNayA2dRwG7dDBJ3 jQvqkkd2/vWYx+7A1XhzZURlRn1GSmjTH4neg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UewwnBPK8n6icD967zD7ubyddo0zpmOTlBtcFVUUWld7O18mUesVfCoC0XavlCc5j7 bR3Y+7iOOw0Y4hSdugMGEajjN3BFvsFEg4OkTH5p6/EJchNsN2m46hZgpBQsCFDOQeaC jXc4fjnDolbWSnFjFAKq/gZ8h1wpMWRPDOX68= Received: by 10.91.21.2 with SMTP id y2mr290544agi.3.1298357227535; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.67.27 with SMTP id u27ls1253454agk.7.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.162.16 with SMTP id k16mr287847age.8.1298357226773; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lindar Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <30534546.1918.1298357226016.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prgz35> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1917_1958343.1298357226012" ------=_Part_1917_1958343.1298357226012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to call BS on this point here. Why does it have to be {da}? We say "everybody", which semantically restricts it to people. We say "every day", which semantically restricts it to days. We say "everything", which means everything. Absolutely everything. {ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... not semantically difficult and not a= =20 huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly as it is and means what it does. We d= o=20 -not- need to generalise. If I have to stop and ask, "Wait, did you mean=20 -everything- everything or 'everything we're talking about' everything?"=20 then I don't want to speak Lojban anymore. Seriously. That is -THE-=20 definitive point of why I speak and learn Lojban. One word, one meaning.=20 {roda} means everything. Everything everything. All things. That is what it= =20 literally means. If we say that it has an implicit NOI clause that provides= =20 context, then absolutely -every- member of KOhA also has to have an implici= t=20 NOI clause. This is Not A Good Thing=99. I veto your laziness and suggest that you say what you mean. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1917_1958343.1298357226012 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to call BS on this point here.
Why does it have to be {da}?

We say "everybody", which semantically restricts it= to people.
We say "every day", which semantically restricts it t= o days.
We say "everything", which means everything. Absolutely e= verything.

{ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... = not semantically difficult and not a huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly = as it is and means what it does. We do -not- need to generalise. If I have = to stop and ask, "Wait, did you mean -everything- everything or 'everything= we're talking about' everything?" then I don't want to speak Lojban anymor= e. Seriously. That is -THE- definitive point of why I speak and learn Lojba= n. One word, one meaning. {roda} means everything. Everything everything. A= ll things. That is what it literally means. If we say that it has an implic= it NOI clause that provides context, then absolutely -every- member of KOhA= also has to have an implicit NOI clause. This is Not A Good Thing=99.

I veto your laziness and suggest that you say what you= mean.

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