From lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRCS1I3rBBoEEPjrZQ@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 23:47:48 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PrmyH-0005Ug-A6; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:48 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1041689fxm.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rSfjoCdC0AfCvS4H4B8FgCPy42JQdym3AyLLg6Lnx8E=; b=GxlVh/pwg1C28K76oN1lip69HnTKrRqc1kV2Z5+A+8pgw58X82k2v+iHSaP9Domi6l 3VNBFd3D5r6gl40eW+dy8Glj65fPnSkIDy7PZgHfAuTwoe+ZZkl/Lutx8yqZ+6r79Ylt avKFvCcQOPcBAKxga/0TybjLYhSW7DgNYZaXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kJ2dcVVvuwhmj6rL9LfO5MXLZViTCa93OfQy+gZKr7p8N5MnMQOMHOTsa9+pY073M0 SZ4MoHFQwgpYAEYvzaSPLRx86vuRESdvRlZFhK0z4Jf98vW7EqU1yolA+80CS6+2mhIg CYKP8adMhGOaebJOSGAr9gzXpGxLQwUdpYQKY= Received: by 10.223.106.12 with SMTP id v12mr284164fao.1.1298360850796; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.20.204 with SMTP id g12ls88021bkb.3.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.82.147 with SMTP id b19mr248142bkl.6.1298360849531; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.82.147 with SMTP id b19mr248141bkl.6.1298360849511; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dd11si1260088bkb.0.2011.02.21.23.47.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2012236fxm.10 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.203 with SMTP id f11mr2963872faq.20.1298360848110; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.74.9 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:47:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30534546.1918.1298357226016.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prgz35> References: <30534546.1918.1298357226016.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prgz35> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d387c12454d8049cda31dc --0016e6d387c12454d8049cda31dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about {pe'anai roda} for literal 'everything'? stevo On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lindar wrote: > I'm going to call BS on this point here. > Why does it have to be {da}? > > We say "everybody", which semantically restricts it to people. > We say "every day", which semantically restricts it to days. > We say "everything", which means everything. Absolutely everything. > > {ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... not semantically difficult and not= a > huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly as it is and means what it does. We= do > -not- need to generalise. If I have to stop and ask, "Wait, did you mean > -everything- everything or 'everything we're talking about' everything?" > then I don't want to speak Lojban anymore. Seriously. That is -THE- > definitive point of why I speak and learn Lojban. One word, one meaning. > {roda} means everything. Everything everything. All things. That is what = it > literally means. If we say that it has an implicit NOI clause that provid= es > context, then absolutely -every- member of KOhA also has to have an impli= cit > NOI clause. 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How about {pe'anai roda} for literal 'everything'?
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stevo

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yaho= o.com> wrote:
I'm going to call BS on this= point here.=20
Why does it have to be {da}?

We say "everybody", which semantically restricts it to peopl= e.
We say "every day", which semantically restricts it to days.=
We say "everything", which means everything. Absolutely ever= ything.

{ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... not semantically difficult and = not a huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly as it is and means what it does= . We do -not- need to generalise. If I have to stop and ask, "Wait, di= d you mean -everything- everything or 'everything we're talking abo= ut' everything?" then I don't want to speak Lojban anymore. Se= riously. That is -THE- definitive point of why I speak and learn Lojban. On= e word, one meaning. {roda} means everything. Everything everything. All th= ings. That is what it literally means. If we say that it has an implicit NO= I clause that provides context, then absolutely -every- member of KOhA also= has to have an implicit NOI clause. This is Not A Good Thing=99.

I veto your laziness and suggest that you say what you mean.

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