From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARD_2pbrBBoEYucpLg@googlegroups.com Wed Feb 23 16:59:55 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsPYd-00069u-RC; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:54 -0800 Received: by mail-px0-f184.google.com with SMTP id 4sf4696pxi.1 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6hMu9GtpMiheKg//ir8fK0ykc4Jfc7lkp6FyxvRR7Wc=; b=ryNOSd0GQHMwFpnk2JmDRgI+WTTGXXTFsWtFFJQYjacFOEuGurPLfrZRwwCWASwz2R IPSNMyPeuIGwnYZV9hnNvj3NG47sPnXQiYtfjwzEDS5+Rg8uBTAq2DoR9lpmXpF0/38o /N5BKFrDmpDAB7g6JHRrzZtrWZDOOXpk+yBcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JJhSQ/D/6kJMY59IGEkI44sUtyUVYLHF/vDtVhPnt2sIru297irhjaEQJxWGfEllOr vtC1/0Jf6B3moijqtxTJQbjUx2xvVQENOrJ5W+QaCd7rICohz8nX7bt3mI5/oOeilUwM B000hWVYCK/Ha6qPP0/Uyis7i0e573TkIYOho= Received: by 10.142.47.7 with SMTP id u7mr21467wfu.15.1298509183330; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.195.2 with SMTP id s2ls1136891wff.3.p; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.132.1 with SMTP id j1mr25308wfn.16.1298509181809; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.132.1 with SMTP id j1mr25307wfn.16.1298509181747; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x35si4137410wfd.0.2011.02.23.16.59.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so5891pzk.33 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.242.2 with SMTP id p2mr106221wfh.372.1298509180587; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.53.5 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <543de28e-1f93-40ee-a499-c63df0e1341f@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:59:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: BAI zi'o From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd14b04724ece049cfcbafa --000e0cd14b04724ece049cfcbafa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 s/Ordinally/Ordinarily On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Actually, this raises an interesting question: > {ko'a broda .ijonai ko'a broda no da} > is accepted. What about: > {ko'a broda .ijonai ko'a broda fi'o brode no da} > Ordinally {fi'o brode ko'e} would mean "where ko'e brode (in general, not > specific to this sentence), which is somehow related to the sentence". Does > this mean that {... fi'o brode no da} asserts {no da brode} and that this > fact is somehow related to the sentence? > > If so, {TAG zi'o} and {TAG no da} become very, very different things. > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:16 PM, spermwhale.warrior < > guerrier.cachalot@gmail.com> wrote: > >> First, {bau} means "in langage", second, what you want is "bai". >> And third, you Alex are wrong, because {bu'a bai zi'o} simply means >> {bu'a} : it deletes this place from the predicate. >> To say that broda or whatsoever happens without compulsion, you must >> say "broda bai noda", because if you don't, >> {zo'e} will always remplace it, something that does not precise >> anything. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Wed, Feb 23, 20= 11 at 7:59 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, this raises an interesting question:
{ko'a broda .ijonai k= o'a broda no da}
is accepted. What about:
{ko'a broda .ijonai= ko'a broda fi'o brode no da}
Ordinally {fi'o brode ko'e= } would mean "where ko'e brode (in general, not specific to this s= entence), which is somehow related to the sentence". Does this mean th= at {... fi'o brode no da} asserts {no da brode} and that this fact is s= omehow related to the sentence?

If so, {TAG zi'o} and {TAG no da} become very, very different thing= s.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

<= br>
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:16 PM, spermwha= le.warrior <guerrier.cachalot@gmail.com> wrote:
First, {bau} mean= s "in langage", second, what you want is "bai".
And third, you Alex are wrong, because {bu'a bai zi'o} simply means=
{bu'a} : it deletes this place from the predicate.
To say that broda or whatsoever happens without compulsion, you must
say "broda bai noda", because if you don't,
{zo'e} will always remplace it, something that does not precise
anything.

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