From lojban-beginners+bncCPGMg4mHHBCQjJfrBBoEI-fyDA@googlegroups.com Wed Feb 23 18:44:50 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsRCA-000559-Nu; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:50 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf23896vxc.16 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iXm1Srj/Z7qfTLNNyrtyB7hZPJIvRkUShTXS6X4zawg=; b=w4xqfj8QrlPmnZeSU/T1DNu5Gy1XUTUGNYwIn9XBv7WFsLTJ3vdGlQVdQ4ADmKUOcp GW9Ds0FTJhAZCHGgs8ITJcQBzLiE+4M9WgmVsjCxT4MeS/1ji5zySA6UuUC/7AEjSnMA K/d8LC7GfzvCVS2Bvz2L2hjKS7xaGaRerULBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pOYuGiof3ioKecwTHLwwjaUaZO5Jg1NIJegFRsa4azIghalBsqtjJzn3X4gcH5//68 Tc55l3xlg1zZYrQg9mdgVlGPwACrzryrkzDgAbGTtEvN1b56YGPYCZwSItS9lm3mcEjx SbEO8MFnliB1PvmhoKyzWNN3Td+lCZ7iqYvG8= Received: by 10.220.186.75 with SMTP id cr11mr21385vcb.48.1298515472690; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls17730vcp.0.p; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.180.65 with SMTP id bt1mr125072vcb.18.1298515471803; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.180.65 with SMTP id bt1mr125071vcb.18.1298515471772; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f178.google.com ([209.85.220.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38si1297332vcm.5.2011.02.23.18.44.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.178; Received: by vxb37 with SMTP id 37so92654vxb.23 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.182.9 with SMTP id ca9mr79117vcb.3.1298515471413; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.70 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 03:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A seemingly simple sentence with layered complexity From: Ivo Doko To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc1ea68b3ba049cfe31c9 --90e6ba4fc1ea68b3ba049cfe31c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 24 February 2011 03:13, .arpis. wrote: > No, but it is made up of only 4 sides, whose only relation to each other is > their equality. > Not quite. You forgot about right angles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_%28geometry%29 So the relations that the four sides of a square have towards each other is that a pair of sides is either perpendicular to each other or parallel. More precisely, each of the four sides of the rectangle is perpendicular to two other sides which are parallel to each other and parallel to one other side. Careful about how I worded this because there's a lot of assumptions in wording of these English sentences, one being that the person spoken to already knows that two sides can't be parallel and perpendicular to each other, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba4fc1ea68b3ba049cfe31c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 24 February 2011 03:13, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau= @gmail.com> wrote:
No, but it is made up of only 4 sides, whos= e only relation to each other is their equality.

Not quite. You forgot about right angles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Square_%28geometry%29

So the relations that the four sides of a square have towards each othe= r is that a pair of sides is either perpendicular to each other or parallel= . More precisely, each of the four sides of the rectangle is perpendicular = to two other sides which are parallel to each other and parallel to one oth= er side.

Careful about how I worded this because there's a lot of assumption= s in wording of these English sentences, one being that the person spoken t= o already knows that two sides can't be parallel and perpendicular to e= ach other, etc.

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