From lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRCOjrHqBBoEqj8FqQ@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 04 10:36:20 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlQW0-0000Rj-8h; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:36:20 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1027274fxm.16 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WC9PFgBqqYtSscEvzh/RNVdo1a7if9KOCPF75CStVKo=; b=wU+tQttzD23nq0SnpL/ABttgPaHx5IevNS7Pj9rRT7Cbm48fh19ctqBe+5QTCSjE37 /eWwOHh8WvbcLwQvP9ymYGx99eAWpWOnVibFA00hEIvKXbkABC+HrDkQkcuErnG5gZRu H/umaNEiOTnzsvoUyovyjcNhFXDAK+oxzJBx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pruhjUKSqxjW8IxIBUOGm0fotUMbYqrZm83E0u5aZFvztYKQUGByOJLLyTM5gfhC6U jSQqdsJWtv+oPJPopwuFUXpWhHpiNH0RlluqwircxvTXofuu1JaY965i2RR23Y5xphXc UADQnHerY4+ZYVox8ol9rPFnVshg2JYvq2ETw= Received: by 10.223.70.136 with SMTP id d8mr1176308faj.40.1296844558258; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.160.8 with SMTP id l8ls1099563fax.2.p; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.73.197 with SMTP id r5mr1258311faj.0.1296844557428; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.73.197 with SMTP id r5mr1258310faj.0.1296844557363; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n17si120759fam.3.2011.02.04.10.35.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.46; Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so3144426fxm.5 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.6 with SMTP id k6mr11663621faj.46.1296844552365; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.85.205 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3794527.1160.1296844129707.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnp16> References: <3794527.1160.1296844129707.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnp16> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Friends will be friends From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a71fdf679b049b792642 --20cf3054a71fdf679b049b792642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Suzette Haden Elgin (creator of Laadan) discusses this very problem in one of the three books in her series on Verbal Self-Defense. Using the phrase "boys will be boys", she points out that the two meanings of "boys" are, on the one hand, boys as young human males, and on the other boys as rambunctious, obnoxious, reckless, etc. (whatever you want to fill in the blank with). stevo On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lindar wrote: > I can't exactly pin down what this is meant to imply. It sounds > tautological in English, but more so in Lojban. I read it as "A friend is > going to be a friend.", which is why you should never ever ever ever ever > translate words or phrases; you should translate meanings. Are you trying to > state that one cannot prevent friends from being friends? 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Suzette Haden Elgin (creator of Laadan) discusses this very problem in= one of the three books in her series on Verbal Self-Defense. Using the phr= ase "boys will be boys", she points out that the two meanings of = "boys" are, on the one hand, boys as young human males, and on th= e other boys as rambunctious, obnoxious, reckless, etc. (whatever you want = to fill in the blank with).
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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo= .com> wrote:
I can't exactly pin down wha= t this is meant to imply. It sounds tautological in English, but more so in= Lojban. I read it as "A friend is going to be a friend.", which = is why you should never ever ever ever ever translate words or phrases; you= should translate meanings. Are you trying to state that one cannot prevent= friends from being friends? If so, why not just say what you mean?=20

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