From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxC_xpzrBBoEM6CN8w@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 24 19:34:40 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsoRx-0000YB-37; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:40 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf645580vxc.16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=BFrPN2wLUlYzLFEsoD+V/5Jbk29BE6Q3FvdIfnmq7Rk=; b=HojiJH2WHUeFLnWOKITdcYuoiMlf6lw9CTSzw9x9iVWAjE9DyeALiPIm7OI/v8X/27 ZOgnDcAbk0odHxAW+MXbT54Yi1WYDB/pk7rThefIymVK0BbR6WQrMyneghzhAQ1yu9kw Jbxub+hG0AkGxisguQ9tVVjXFgaD4mM/oXYig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=zDFqj8I9PK9blhGQVQvyFeX6/sUYgEmtr932rli9wZXM88lhi19f+no8tdLH/3xvby 1258gdRZ8HTy4ow7C475LC3e6ZsPX2Ck8z9VorDPo44nqA2U9ubqBzU4zA9K/v2phbOj nxxdly/Ft40hIzlj2AWypTT7FegVqG2Ar4jmg= Received: by 10.220.181.70 with SMTP id bx6mr188746vcb.30.1298604863065; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.83 with SMTP id d19ls612546vcm.5.p; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.194 with SMTP id ff2mr598542vcb.5.1298604862028; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.194 with SMTP id ff2mr598541vcb.5.1298604862003; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c37si32411vcs.14.2011.02.24.19.34.20; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=tLsyj04/L/SH/N6p42ldY6jXDYWe4pX5hAm6uRA1LKo= c=1 sm=0 a=u5hecJhm9LsA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=4Omy7Qk29N_61hs8RpsA:9 a=_S-Ezgjniw0b-UFyCUTZl84NR9wA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:55376] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7D/E5-05134-B33276D4; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:34:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF841E476 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: BAI zi'o Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:34:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201102241123.58373.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102242234.15637.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 24 February 2011 19:45:04 Ian Johnson wrote: > That's inconsistent with what you said earlier. That is, if {no da} > *really* works the same between both cases, then {lo du'u ko'a broda no da > cu nibli lo du'u ko'a na broda} and {lo du'u ko'a broda broda TAG no da cu > nibli lo du'u ko'a na broda} must both be true. I know the former is true; > you said the latter is false. {lo du'u ko'a broda TAG no da cu nibli lo du'u ko'a na broda TAG} is true. TAG adds an extra place to broda. Taking a concrete example, la .uacos. tcimpazi bau lo merxanbau .ije la figan. tcimpazi bau noda .i la figan. na tcimpazi bau .iku'i la figan. ja'a tcimpazi mu'omi'e .pier. -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.