From lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCjmZ3rBBoEvddzPQ@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 24 22:31:17 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsrCr-0006AK-LD; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:31:17 -0800 Received: by qwk3 with SMTP id 3sf3608933qwk.16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=T3hVQbDvgBRV2QRS1AihbY+H35dJjHFRvpDuMX6fHSE=; b=RSU1wjOj2b5mCQIlTwR+ysrGVcqCmENcsu4DGSmgXai47szEjmfbp6DMRidd8NXavj y7nT86VzAehgmZtGW0wvU7w1O6OPEPFpHbwd6K9DT0m4BPtKq/X0kVpv2raNXaO4P4GH LSSgbbVSoSpN+gFRHtEJNGYxedrWp00EiJDrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DNfrm492OSFVUykZ2TGQWIcaYV5V08daub8Ppw38qXNi++baiZXinkMTsG1V1MQ0Ig YrSGqJn6f+aFI3CrnTBudihpxEGmcVC4fj7dYwQukKmAup4H70cJTq6LmCvxwCHCgdeX ZL/7N9kJmB7aP07veP+f8WPosgQBlRBAcPhbY= Received: by 10.229.8.202 with SMTP id i10mr266456qci.22.1298615459543; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.185.141 with SMTP id co13ls260828qab.2.p; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.19.196 with SMTP id c4mr195698qab.26.1298615456459; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.19.196 with SMTP id c4mr195697qab.26.1298615456271; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y9si73560qcc.12.2011.02.24.22.30.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.171; Received: by qyj19 with SMTP id 19so132542qyj.9 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.99.130 with SMTP id u2mr1506502qcn.211.1298615455903; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.191.21 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:30:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <32924688.429.1298588921218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prc35> References: <32924688.429.1298588921218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prc35> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:30:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Remo Dentato To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, February 25, 2011, Lindar wrote: > Yes, I'm finally on for a little bit. My assertion is that {ro broda} is -not- equivalent to {ro da poi broda} because {ro da} is explicitly EVERYTHING. Hi Lindar. My point, and others' as well if I have understood correctly, is that theres is no such thing as EVERYTHING. Nor in logic, where one either assumes or explicitly states an interpretation, nor in usual speech. The cases in which one wants to refer to a philosophical EVERYTHING like we do in this discussion, is so rare that imposing that {roda} means that special case seems overkill to me and not useful for those really want to use Lojban in real cases. i've asked, in another email, for some real use examples where the interpreration of {roda} as this mythical EVERYTHING would be necessary. I offer an example where relying on the context seems reasonable to me: {mi viska ro danlu .i roda gerku} Is there really anyone interpreting the second as "EVERYTHING is a dog"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.