From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDw0KDrBBoE5qKP7w@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 25 14:09:07 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt5qR-0000rt-6h; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:09:07 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf1120944vxc.16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=fnvmVF+8GM7or1mGSifJJDUga5JiCplSCPhQWTEl2rU=; b=rx1y3nXEONVMrMQKT5UP/Ta8KefxGjekRZoFwWVt5Pp+cDVHmNjPJL8hqKK1ZxxsMJ tBF0iQ3hRNLc5mvZ+rrkuSdBjMgTO/k0AK3A/MLsEmKw+Ml1TUq1zVlGGOsG5i52tE0J tTtocdhYLKQUCfKo9pnDtZeG4H16MQ5WHJsjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=z9oKdcpVLczEM3J8Le0hMrY5Y2DcnmbkJQIRojgyek4/OegabQJjLoMSpP0+hkXCaP ngKru15hsvHHEZk2Sgw4vh8wnVd3Jhj2X+KcEtKfwl+6zYEmzTa7V5SoV0+A8mjOFhcO dhRmbPvfiX3hbMkJYuyepcUuTMXgXARj7pjmY= Received: by 10.220.81.198 with SMTP id y6mr344808vck.3.1298671728677; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.143 with SMTP id j15ls1052202vcp.1.p; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.46.67 with SMTP id i3mr883059vcf.22.1298671727702; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.46.67 with SMTP id i3mr883058vcf.22.1298671727665; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id fj11si172645vcb.8.2011.02.25.14.08.45; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=8qX4n24HItwA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=J2YsX3JWAAAA:8 a=G1NWCUvXqg5tlCP61uYA:9 a=QzKeRbcGWw02DmDF7dQA:7 a=0sBPW7HlGzBBwaKqs_g7_UchHBIA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59979] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EB/90-13137-C68286D4; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:08:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A00B166 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "The north of" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:08:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102251708.42103.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 25 February 2011 12:47:48 .arpis. wrote: > Hokkaido lies in the north of > Japan. > > (I'm not quite clear how one lojbanizes names, so I'll just use {la > xokaidos} until someone corrects me). > > {la xokaidos berti lo gugdejupu} is wrong; it says that if one starts at > the northernmost point of Japan, one can move northward and get to > Hokkaido. my initial idea was > {la xokaidos berti fi lo gugdejupu}, but I'm not sure the third place of > {berti} applies like this; I take this to mean that Hokkaido is north of > something in Japan's reference frame, but "Japan's reference frame" doesn't > make much sense in the context of "north" > {la xokaidos berti ne'i lo gugdejupu} is another thought, but it seems not > quite right. I'd say "la xokaidos. berpau la pongug." or "la xokaidos. bernenri la pongug." On Friday 25 February 2011 13:37:11 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > {lo te berti no'u lo berti manri} seems to me to be better suited to > clarifying what kind of north is meant: magnetic north? true earth north? > galactic north? etc. I agree. Basis of bearings, it's called in surveying. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.