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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Friends will be friends Message-ID: <20110205201058.GC61729@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <3794527.1160.1296844129707.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnp16> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some time, I've wanted to translate the following phrase: my flesh has cooled the fire. my flesh has warmed the iron. I haven't quite figured it out yet, and I'm wondering if ca'a is one of the clues I've needed. I get this far, using ca'a: lo mi skapi pu ca'a lenku {...} lo fagri I'm not sure whether I want {lenku} or {dunja}, and I'm not sure how to make sentences like the above, which I perceive as having two predicate relationships, work. That's the {...} in the above. {lo fagri} is not the x2 place of lenku, so I have to mark an extra place. My closest guess is to use a BAI cmavo, but I'm just not sure. Will someone give me a clue here? mu'o mi'e .alyn. On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 01:10:02PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > CLL 10.19 says that CAhA tenses are indeterminate if not specified > (something which occasionally confuses me). It says {ta jelca} can mea= n > either "That burns" or "That's flammable". I would take that to mean t= hat > {lo cifxrula (to noi na ca'a xrlua toi) (to'i nu'o toi) xrula}. Is tha= t > wrong? Does that mean that {lo jelca} can be either something burning = or > something flammable? >=20 > Apologies for not responding in lojban; I'm sick and my lojban's not t= hat > good yet. >=20 > 2011/2/5 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[1]jjllambias@gmail.com> >=20 > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn > <[2]rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > In that vein, {jetnu xu fa lo du'u lo nu'o broda cu broda .ibo go'= i xu > lo > > du'u lo broda nu'o broda} >=20 > mi na morji lo nu pu viska lo mlatu poi nu'o mlatu ku'o .a lo blanu > poi nu'o blanu .i xu do go'i .i ku'i mi na darsi lo nu xusra lo du'u > mi no roi ba go'i >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > [3]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [4]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 > -- > Alex R >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 > References >=20 > Visible links > 1. mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com > 2. mailto:rpglover64@gmail.com > 3. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > 4. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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