From lojban-beginners+bncCJGY6cDlFhDd8MDqBBoE20Z3JA@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 07 10:23:27 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PmVkA-0006UJ-2L; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:23:27 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf5202560wyb.16 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+ZFw5eORS0pdxR4Ws84fOZhZKO9DjS+ROWG2/geyQZU=; b=bdjHj4Yqow82Z8kSuLeEvEiirPBHCF08j9OyhZWxQnaMv8NhfuW4pov6vfdW0+KWly d3rRTwNm9uta8+FA3cvurZ3tdp7mrCrKJYn4hpck70VH9SkmGmcUFKJRfQk4C/2OkNrC sCYFXDfYIpfVRhVRfIJoT4txxA/JujxY0vt68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sm6lfMoOnhSHzltkqPVVVBTIdawr8XgDtag5qrCRELyRcgkXDuNQGQQAY4+Gz9mPoA faGJZ7zAQ6SBESwHbPgSzw2JEF8p1VIQTsH15RKNhqelaCkgo53d2mKep3m6TNDo35w7 dlcRGj+/S0pvbxWbBWYdVdr7LzZIZIrIpIwvQ= Received: by 10.216.169.132 with SMTP id n4mr3097347wel.1.1297102941983; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.28.219 with SMTP id n27ls2316070wbc.2.p; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.123.204 with SMTP id q12mr928493far.26.1297102940796; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.123.204 with SMTP id q12mr928490far.26.1297102940766; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n23si539069fam.9.2011.02.07.10.22.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by mail-fx0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 5so5406245fxm.10 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.102.67 with SMTP id f3mr737927fao.125.1297102939566; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.164.34 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Conditionals (again) To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30434492f33187049bb54f66 --20cf30434492f33187049bb54f66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe I'm just hypercorrecting phantom malglico, but I don't think "xrani ko'a lo ka cinmo" is necessary, when we have { ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e badri } I mean, wounding someone's emotions is certainly poetic, but IMO not the most straightforward way to go about making someone unhappy in lojban. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:08, Michael Turniansky wrote: > mu'i da'i lo nu do na djica lo nu xrani ko'a lo ka cinmo cu bilga fa do > lo nu toltce ticysku > > da'i still makes hypotheticdals.. what's hypothetical here? Your motive. > > --gejyspa > > > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, .arpis. wrote: > >> If you don't want to hurt her feelings you're going to have to bend the >> truth a little. >> >> Besides the difficult of translating "bend the truth" (I'm probably going >> to use {krori'a pe'a}), I have no idea how to set up the conditional. It's >> not a straight-up logical connective, and {va'o} doesn't quite seem to cut >> it for me. >> >> .e'o sidju >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Maybe I'm just hypercorrecting phantom malglico, but I= don't think "xrani ko'a lo ka cinmo" is necessary, when = we have

{ ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e badri }

I mean, wounding someone's emotions is certainly poetic,= but IMO not the most straightforward way to go about making someone unhapp= y in lojban.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:08= , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
mu'i da'i lo nu do= na djica lo nu xrani ko'a lo ka cinmo=A0=A0 cu bilga fa do lo nu toltc= e ticysku

=A0 da'i still makes hypotheticdals.. what's hypothetical here?= =A0 Your motive.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa




On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, .ar= pis. <rpglover64+jbotat@gmail.com> wrote:
= If you don't want to hurt her feelings you're going to have to bend= the truth a little.

Besides the difficult of translating "= bend the truth" (I'm probably going to use {krori'a pe'a})= , I have no idea how to set up the conditional.=A0 It's not a straight-= up logical connective, and {va'o} doesn't quite seem to cut it for = me.

.e'o sidju

--
mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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