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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo nu valsi rapli cu xe tanru fo ma Message-ID: <20110203143926.GA56439@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110202194422.GC54504@alice.local> <201102022216.26133.phma@phma.optus.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.212.181 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Will you help clarify some confusion I'm having, then?: lo mamta => mother lo se mamta => child (not quite the right gloss, I don't think that matters in this case) mamta => mothering/motherness? lo ponse => owner lo se ponse => possesion ponse => possessing/ownership? I don't quite get how one gets grandmother out of mamymamta, though I've confused the special significance that an x1 place has before. It seems in this case though that mamymamta either takes one meaning for the first mam (mothering) and another meaning for the second (mother), or that my gloss for mamta is wrong and it doesn't express motherness at all, but an actual mother. What am not understanding? -Alan On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 09:26:02AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > that makes the most sense to me.. although my first thought when I saw > {ponse ponse} was something like {ba'e ponse}... not that I know what the > difference between {ponse} and {ba'e ponse} is but... that was my first > thought. (though as I said, I do like gejyspa's interpretation better). > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Michael Turniansky > <[1]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > > An owner of an owner, I suppose... > > lo mi gerku cu ponse lo bolci .iseni'ibo mi ponse ponse > --gejyspa > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <[2]phma@phma.optus.nu> > wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 14:44:22 .alyn.post. wrote: > >> .i fo ma fu lo nu valsi rapli cu tanru .i lu ponse ponse li'u mupli > >> > >> What does word doubling mean in a tanru? For example: {ponse > >> ponse} > > > > "klakyklaku klakyklaku klaku" is used in The Restaurant of Many Orders > > for "cried and cried and cried and cried and cried". "mamymamta" > (lujvo jenai > > tanru) means "maternal grandmother", and similarly "pafpatfu". I'm not > sure > > what "ponse ponse" would mean. > > > > Pierre > > -- > > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > [3]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [4]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > [6]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [7]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [8]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com > 2. mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu > 3. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > 4. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en > 6. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > 7. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 8. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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