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From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba613c96422c27049be5ab60 --90e6ba613c96422c27049be5ab60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh duh, how did I not think of that. Marking the time of the starting of the job as being (in relation to) a long event of seeking [the job]. Very pretty doi gejyspa On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > How about this? > {baze'u lonu sisku ku mi co'a se jibri} > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> I'm beginning to think that there are fundamentally two separate claims. >> >> 1) mi co'a se jibri >> 2) mi puze'u sisku lo za'i mi se jibri >> >> Either these two need to be seperate bridi or you need to restate one of >> them in terms of the other like gejyspa did. >> mi puze'umo'u sisku lo jibri >> On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> No, that's why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation >> of >> >>> the job. >> >>> >> >>> I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express >> "finally" >> >>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... that we >> have >> >>> at our disposal. >> >>> >> >>> .... >> >>> >> >>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something like, {mi >> se >> >>> jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}. >> >>> >> >>> Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi ca na >> citka" >> >>> without having to break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai >> citka" >> >>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a puze'unai se >> >>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-time do not] have job". Although I get >> the >> >>> feeling like I've done something very wrong here. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citka" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you >> >> can certainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I >> went >> >> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really >> nothing >> >> more than an intensifier, something that UI do well. >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> > >> > I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a long time, >> typically >> > involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or >> aggravating >> > expressive use. >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo >> >>>> jibri" is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri). >> >>>> Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the >> >>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means "ba lo nu zu co'e", >> which is >> >>>> just too much of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo >> jibri >> >>>> cu mulno" might be better. >> >>>> --gejyspa >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen > >wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri} >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones > >wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> How to translate finally, as in "I finally got the job!"? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >> >>>>>> patfu do zo'o >> >>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>> . >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >> patfu do >> > zo'o >> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba613c96422c27049be5ab60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh duh, how did I not think of that. =A0Marking the time of the starting of= the job as being (in relation to) a long event of seeking [the job]. =A0Ve= ry pretty doi gejyspa

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011= at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
{baze'u lonu sisku k= u mi co'a se jibri}

<= div class=3D"h5"> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones&quo= t; <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:1= 6 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, L= uke Bergen <l= ukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, that= 9;s why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of
>>> the job.
>>>
>>> I'd be amazed if = there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally"
>= ;>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... th= at we have
>>> at our disposal.
>>>
>>> ....
>&= gt;>
>>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... I= t's something like, {mi se
>>> jibri}, but I {co'a se j= ibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to say something like "mi = pu citka .iku'i mi ca na citka"
>>> without having to = break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai citka"
>>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a = puze'unai se
>>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-ti= me do not] have job". Although I get the
>>> feeling like= I've done something very wrong here.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citk= a" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you
>> can ce= rtainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se = jibri", but I went
>> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence,= it's really nothing
>> more than an intensifier, something th= at UI do well.
>> --gejyspa
>>
>
> I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a= long time, typically
> involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or agg= ravating
> expressive use.
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at = 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, that's more "I am still ho= lding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo
>>>> jibri"= ; is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri).
>>>> Personally, I&= #39;d use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the
>>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means = "ba lo nu zu co'e", which is
>>>> just too muc= h of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri=
>>>> cu mulno" might be better.
>>>> = --gejyspa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. = {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri}
>>>>>
>>>>>= ;
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones &l= t;eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How to translate finally, = as in "I finally got the job!"?
>>>>>>
&g= t;>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .ai= onys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko = cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi
>>>>&g= t;> patfu do zo'o
>>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side!= Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> For more options, visit this group a= t
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-b= eginners?hl=3Den.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu = .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
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