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From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630fb8dc4a6bd049bebc2cc --00163630fb8dc4a6bd049bebc2cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Umm.. that was .aionys, not me. But yes, that does work nicely. --gy On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > oh duh, how did I not think of that. Marking the time of the starting of > the job as being (in relation to) a long event of seeking [the job]. Very > pretty doi gejyspa > > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> How about this? >> {baze'u lonu sisku ku mi co'a se jibri} >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> I'm beginning to think that there are fundamentally two separate claims. >>> >>> >>> 1) mi co'a se jibri >>> 2) mi puze'u sisku lo za'i mi se jibri >>> >>> Either these two need to be seperate bridi or you need to restate one of >>> them in terms of the other like gejyspa did. >>> mi puze'umo'u sisku lo jibri >>> On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >>> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michael Turniansky < >>> mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> No, that's why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation >>> of >>> >>> the job. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express >>> "finally" >>> >>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... that >>> we have >>> >>> at our disposal. >>> >>> >>> >>> .... >>> >>> >>> >>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something like, >>> {mi se >>> >>> jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi ca na >>> citka" >>> >>> without having to break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai >>> citka" >>> >>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a puze'unai se >>> >>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-time do not] have job". Although I get >>> the >>> >>> feeling like I've done something very wrong here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citka" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you >>> >> can certainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but >>> I went >>> >> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really >>> nothing >>> >> more than an intensifier, something that UI do well. >>> >> --gejyspa >>> >> >>> > >>> > I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a long time, >>> typically >>> > involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or >>> aggravating >>> > expressive use. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo >>> >>>> jibri" is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri). >>> >>>> Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the >>> >>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means "ba lo nu zu co'e", >>> which is >>> >>>> just too much of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo >>> jibri >>> >>>> cu mulno" might be better. >>> >>>> --gejyspa >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen >> >wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri} >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones >> >wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> How to translate finally, as in "I finally got the job!"? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. >>> mi >>> >>>>>> patfu do zo'o >>> >>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>> >>>>>> . >>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > >>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>> patfu do >>> > zo'o >>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 Umm.. that was .aionys, not me.=A0 But yes, that does = work nicely.
=A0=A0=A0 --gy

On Wed, Fe= b 9, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
oh duh, how did I= not think of that. =A0Marking the time of the starting of the job as being= (in relation to) a long event of seeking [the job]. =A0Very pretty doi gej= yspa


On Wed, Feb= 9, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
How about this?{baze'u lonu sisku ku mi co'a se jibri}

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones&quo= t; <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:1= 6 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, L= uke Bergen <l= ukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, that= 9;s why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of
>>> the job.
>>>
>>> I'd be amazed if = there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally"
>= ;>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... th= at we have
>>> at our disposal.
>>>
>>> ....
>&= gt;>
>>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... I= t's something like, {mi se
>>> jibri}, but I {co'a se j= ibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to say something like "mi = pu citka .iku'i mi ca na citka"
>>> without having to = break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai citka"
>>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a = puze'unai se
>>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-ti= me do not] have job". Although I get the
>>> feeling like= I've done something very wrong here.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citk= a" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you
>> can ce= rtainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se = jibri", but I went
>> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence,= it's really nothing
>> more than an intensifier, something th= at UI do well.
>> --gejyspa
>>
>
> I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a= long time, typically
> involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or agg= ravating
> expressive use.
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at = 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, that's more "I am still ho= lding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo
>>>> jibri"= ; is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri).
>>>> Personally, I&= #39;d use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the
>>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means = "ba lo nu zu co'e", which is
>>>> just too muc= h of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri=
>>>> cu mulno" might be better.
>>>> = --gejyspa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. = {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri}
>>>>>
>>>>>= ;
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones &l= t;eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How to translate finally, = as in "I finally got the job!"?
>>>>>>
&g= t;>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .ai= onys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko = cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi
>>>>&g= t;> patfu do zo'o
>>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side!= Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-b= eginners?hl=3Den.
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>
>
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu = .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
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