From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCQ6bfrBBoEuvCx7Q@googlegroups.com Tue Mar 01 23:42:28 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PughU-0004OF-OB; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:42:28 -0800 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8sf4127974ywg.16 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:42:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1XPZFFmRQnTCx6yT0ndrWz3oFRMIjIRjq7N26pZtQo0=; b=0t6JkYKcQARspQELei1W44HayOChgKGEmjghERFFU1w9TNbub28O44hqkVy+zA3rIy zP4grs5G1jYdkXWdA9IhC9+DPg6Y8bcL8cty0KvezuI7se9e9CB1f8/Dah04wBxrvzA1 15xoxnyWbOlsyAFQ3FtjCjITKNmQ08BOenwNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=IXz1jiNjXw46Vyw5aTzGvbx/HIeQM6ikmVFk+ET2p5mKHSdCzlcQZwumdRFtTgv+Eq MjRICeXaAmMPsg+7Omqz0F9uevCLKL9fxUuNG0f/9Jcv2wSN1uCc2klChUZb+Ltw985S biQwotBdrG6AT34uQukl16xOHatxr4DcVqByA= Received: by 10.150.144.18 with SMTP id r18mr1088915ybd.0.1299051664664; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.67.68 with SMTP id q4ls861988ibi.3.p; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.7.201 with SMTP id e9mr1388640ibe.10.1299051663832; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.7.201 with SMTP id e9mr1388639ibe.10.1299051663784; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f177.google.com (mail-iy0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si1274503ibb.1.2011.03.01.23.41.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Received: by iyf40 with SMTP id 40so5342366iyf.8 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.139 with SMTP id x11mr7133859ibx.149.1299051663579; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.141 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:40:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201103012238.38772.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 02:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] More than five places? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255761d2f3db83049d7b081c --0003255761d2f3db83049d7b081c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 haha, I hate jai. The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me and I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. In light of that I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai = {faxipafe'ino} On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special privilege of being >> {faxixa}. Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}? > > > {by. na mintu fy.} > > >> Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you want to >> call fai something that won't change. How about {faxini'upa} or something >> ;) >> > > Wow, the first step into the nether realm. You must not much like {jai} if > you imagine shoving it through Vortex Zero. :) > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me >>> that {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the >>> right letters. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> actually I've seen usage like {se nelci mi fai do} which I *think* is >>>> supposed to mean something like {do jai se nelci mi} >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>> > I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I think >>>>> I'll >>>>> > stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :) >>>>> > >>>>> > What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations? >>>>> >>>>> No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0003255761d2f3db83049d7b081c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha, I hate jai. =A0The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me a= nd I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. =A0In light= of that I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai =3D {faxipafe'ino}
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 A= M, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special=A0privilege of being= {faxixa}. =A0Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}?
=

{by. na mintu fy.}
=A0
=A0Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you wan= t to call fai something that won't change. =A0How about {faxini'upa= } or something ;)

Wow, the first step into t= he nether realm. You must not much like {jai} if you imagine shoving it thr= ough Vortex Zero. :)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15= AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div> Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me tha= t {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the r= ight letters.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:


On = Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 01 Marc= h 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I= think I'll
> stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :)
>
> What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations?

No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present.

Pierre
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