From lojban-beginners+bncCMqBsa7nERDB7bfrBBoEl_FL1g@googlegroups.com Tue Mar 01 23:50:43 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PugpT-0004bQ-Lz; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:43 -0800 Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10sf4631890gyd.16 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sAfnI/inI8njXKMM2JcDCW/+/Tt3s15/kix7xTfQ350=; b=llaXranLKSqUmTPCKXd/1UFcXZKLctLRjng2CWAlrXwgfBhm7wfNWx/xsp7chSHcm1 dvpuRByhW/9B8rrcGXEsiPT+POf0+vljjp8vDluQJFrz0ff29hUfSmF2aAFfr+AJwVdq /+jUqSxFByOwwltQCO4qJY2tA0qZ4sfRISFmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5VHeg3GlBM4cWkBYKTp6Bi17zCCDOTsAUlspggzbpvFPOEAFLjs/R2UjYzdsgimxQr Mw4EDuf1st6m8TABr1vKpuekilb01xJd+3VyhgeXyyTugkfBs9stYndvW8fFDna8H/Q1 PDbwKu2KqUe5i/xrbsj7TxEjjs+QIqyQAmD+w= Received: by 10.101.165.24 with SMTP id s24mr398006ano.67.1299052225515; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls868308ibi.2.p; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.71 with SMTP id fx7mr2329268ibb.17.1299052224933; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.71 with SMTP id fx7mr2329267ibb.17.1299052224882; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf5si863057icb.2.2011.03.01.23.50.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.181; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so6618289iyb.40 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.72 with SMTP id jl8mr7900717icb.369.1299052224205; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.25.132 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:49:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201103012238.38772.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Ross Ogilvie Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:49:54 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] More than five places? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549a7f5e5346049d7b2aec --20cf30549a7f5e5346049d7b2aec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 lu faxipafe'ino li'u u'icai As to your earlier crazy indexing, I would interpret faxini'upa as being the last place in a bridi. I think it is python that uses negative indices to count from the end of an array. Ross On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > haha, I hate jai. The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me and > I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. In light of that > I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai = {faxipafe'ino} > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special privilege of being >>> {faxixa}. Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}? >> >> >> {by. na mintu fy.} >> >> >>> Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you want to >>> call fai something that won't change. How about {faxini'upa} or something >>> ;) >>> >> >> Wow, the first step into the nether realm. You must not much like {jai} if >> you imagine shoving it through Vortex Zero. :) >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me >>>> that {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the >>>> right letters. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> >>>>> actually I've seen usage like {se nelci mi fai do} which I *think* is >>>>> supposed to mean something like {do jai se nelci mi} >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>>> > I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I think >>>>>> I'll >>>>>> > stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations? >>>>>> >>>>>> No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>> patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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As to your earlier crazy ind= exing, I would interpret faxini'upa as being the last place in a bridi.= I think it is python that uses negative indices to count from the end of a= n array.

Ross

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, = Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
haha, I hate jai. =A0The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me a= nd I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. =A0In light= of that I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai =3D {faxipafe'ino}


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Luke Berge= n <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special=A0privilege of being= {faxixa}. =A0Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}?
=

{by. na mintu fy.}
=A0
=A0Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you wan= t to call fai something that won't change. =A0How about {faxini'upa= } or something ;)

Wow, the first step into t= he nether realm. You must not much like {jai} if you imagine shoving it thr= ough Vortex Zero. :)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15= AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div> Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me tha= t {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the r= ight letters.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:


On = Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 01 Marc= h 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I= think I'll
> stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :)
>
> What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations?

No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present.

Pierre
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