From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCqu77rBBoEL0fjsA@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 03 05:55:16 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pv8zg-0005eH-O8; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:55:16 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf464756vws.16 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=YyqJqzJCX4/ACiri5+ZcZN+fqNK+QkQS160bcpcztpg=; b=3DHxEERnL80rtOzEzvNnymbL/BuX4NR5tuMCaM1U7gq2kpbWbp8T41psZp/lEt0JKk CE2Ks9uuA0RZXbWyFMcpggs3g/Mg3fSZb8q95wRSST/z7QV8NJl6eg1kz4OLmIqJQdnH VelLmpXm+sf7M4sRPtvVwqPKHWjv5kNkR4Mh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=bMZ9XPOw3eqVjT2pozHupSlwlMTnDKm7xRS89SVCb43fCLhisL+8sYnTQYUiBX/tOY x1rXMtcyZMlOxOLPMpfnFiyuKOMx9dHHk12nsX2DQbG6veW00fZj8x9h5RIWiL3wTJEZ oQTkIZwsa1yU2NhKxpNFZ5mt3orzvwenZ6LA0= Received: by 10.220.193.205 with SMTP id dv13mr112926vcb.53.1299160490706; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls439112vcp.0.p; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.189.8 with SMTP id dc8mr347819vcb.26.1299160489743; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.189.8 with SMTP id dc8mr347818vcb.26.1299160489709; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b16si150932vby.2.2011.03.03.05.54.48; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=niC6zbU5RpkA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=NZdUp36yDIJohZw_6M4A:9 a=6AZKlwiRWunS3iK3m8EA:7 a=KEs2JB-I4VxKEj9q_PAzDSV2HNMA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:35308] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 23/1B-13137-7AD9F6D4; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:54:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E8B63A8 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] question about soi and go'i Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:54:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <42f9eaf8-897b-499c-89b3-9bef2a378c9f@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201103030854.44250.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 03 March 2011 07:16:59 Michael Turniansky wrote: > "nei" refers to the current bridi. "no'a" to the bridi immediately > enclosing this bridi. "vo'a" refers to the outermost bridi (if you wish to > think of it this, way, as the one between two ".i"s) So if I say "mi djuno > lo du'u do nelci lo nu la djein prami _____", > if I fill in the blank with "vo'a" it means "I know that you like Jane > loving me"; > with "lo no'a", "I know that you like Jane loving you"; > with "lo nei", "I know that you like Jane loving herself" The most general of these is "no'a", which can have a subscript indicating how many times one steps outside one bridi, and can be preceded by SE (itself subscriptable, which can be used if a selbri has more than five places), which swaps bridi places. So "mi djuno lo du'u do necli lo nu la djein prami lo se no'a xi no". Both "no'a" and "nei" can be followed by "ra'o", though "nei ra'o" is silly. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.