From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCsoMTrBBoE9VkhdA@googlegroups.com Fri Mar 04 08:15:57 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PvXfW-0005iS-0M; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:57 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf1597242gxk.16 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kdbLWKffxdlrr35ZdqJ6MzOL/PYeqWSJ7DubwKYGy7k=; b=az5U8G9wP4ArLoLV1zyNxtc2J4Za0wdp9VYcPP8ALobT6L0sgLc0QmZxdnF/ioSjoL uomjzFM6nfB8vGrXKicoxrotTJl03Xy1wfuvEgZnUdfuZ/R3JwFCc7Rlg3bPrpWV1JWD fPN8vzoqaoCRVy5FiDxScq5zcgTpQ1/Gmxc38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=C8Ds5TThQ010SgoBHa20WtJ6EONlBB6d0/6hYUe+Y+IuoSHXUr4SXxj1472WxA3sse bknw32zAmoQi8Mvq8XDUcrvyu671uNsJacdqIuAdkvVohv19GyivV0+JJQTVMkT11F0R jgQonbNP8vjpyAmZGB1Q++N830IO+nU9fYi/I= Received: by 10.91.72.40 with SMTP id z40mr83509agk.21.1299255340074; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.176.130 with SMTP id be2ls1948636ibb.1.p; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.178.23 with SMTP id bk23mr265581ibb.19.1299255338785; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.178.23 with SMTP id bk23mr265580ibb.19.1299255338765; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f179.google.com (mail-iy0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si476235ibb.5.2011.03.04.08.15.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.179; Received: by mail-iy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 7so2373936iym.24 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.71.80 with SMTP id yj16mr678950icb.462.1299255338603; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.178.9 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:15:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:15:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] {-nai} vs {-cu'i} on evidentials From: ".arpis." To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51f96e5ee159c049daa74b0 --bcaec51f96e5ee159c049daa74b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let's take {ka'u} for example (the one that actually concerns me is {ti'e}, but {ka'u} makes a clearer example}). mi ka'e snada -> I can succeed. ka'u mi ka'e snada -> I know by cultural means that I can succeed. ka'u naku mi ka'e snada -> I know by cultural means that I can't succeed. ? -> Without regard for my cultural knowledge I know that I can succeed. (i.e. culture tells me nothing about my success) ? -> Despite my cultural knowledge I know that I can succeed. (i.e. culture tells me that I can't succeed) Are the last two appropriate uses of {ka'ucu'i} and {ka'unai}? -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --bcaec51f96e5ee159c049daa74b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's take {ka'u} for example (the one that actually concerns me is= {ti'e}, but {ka'u} makes a clearer example}).

mi ka'e s= nada -> I can succeed.
ka'u mi ka'e snada -> I know by cul= tural means that I can succeed.
ka'u naku mi ka'e snada -> I know by cultural means that I can&#= 39;t succeed.
? -> Without regard for my cultural knowledge I know th= at I can succeed. (i.e. culture tells me nothing about my success)
? -&g= t; Despite my cultural knowledge I know that I can succeed. (i.e. culture t= ells me that I can't succeed)

Are the last two appropriate uses of {ka'ucu'i} and {ka'una= i}?

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