From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBDVuv3rBBoE91xgNA@googlegroups.com Tue Mar 15 05:36:55 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PzTUY-0004RP-UF; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0700 Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1sf479783gyf.16 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+CdPoI7PtQifBoZ2ua+GNtPjbq5mxk8V3qN98J7v6ig=; b=ZCWsoBrxKjCOsemgaSdiyVnaRXc+6f/3IBA8tH5djZE8JaUYikjclrrVoO8VgdRMd4 9tohxOvuADaRGKGGhPpxkCP0w/5v7Ez/MNZKpsH5MVTAl3CntEfO3tO2gCpUVXLEoUV0 5Vsr0b2SSiezgGuvuPHb6BkiAxzBT2FfVjM4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=2tdv0mtIHgu19X1yxN61UvnT0HNIuk9692bV4T/6W9jTwYz2+xsex3vXhiIgXotpyZ IfOiJdB0OgX5RD6QUYCZS58JqWTmVRrklBNV7OOU8Iy50ZGunNYEKMmXJX68KZ4QbjUR qOSuBRIJjPCKdHnoTvYgtbzhCKBiFhQZzNVZg= Received: by 10.151.76.22 with SMTP id d22mr1445473ybl.36.1300192597052; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls454646ibi.2.p; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.211.204 with SMTP id gp12mr5041322ibb.17.1300192596316; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.211.204 with SMTP id gp12mr5041321ibb.17.1300192596280; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si2068989ict.0.2011.03.15.05.36.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so647080iwn.23 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.185.146 with SMTP id co18mr10679068ibb.196.1300192596095; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201103150831.08480.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201103150831.08480.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] plus or minus To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045013d97d47383049e84ad76 --005045013d97d47383049e84ad76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ooo nice. So if I wanted to say "I was attacked by 5 plus/minus 2 dogs" I would do {mi se gunta vei mu mi'ire lo gerku}? Or would I have to close the {vei} with {ve'o}? Is {vei} just kind of like magic that says "here comes math so treat it like a number"? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 15 March 2011 08:19:16 Luke Bergen wrote: > > If I want to say "5 plus or minus 2" what is the quickest way to do that > in > > lojban. I looked through PA* and didn't see anything useful. > > > > Note: I'm not looking for {li su'o ci su'e ze}. This I would translate > as > > (somewhere between 3 and 7). I'm looking for a quick and clean way to > say > > "5 but I could be wrong by as much as 2 in either direction". > > "li mu mi'i re". If you use "mu mi'i re" as a quantifier in a sumti, you > have > to say "vei", e.g. "mi viska vei mu mi'i re". To use the number itself as a > sumti, say for example "mi mitre li papimu mi'i pinore". > > mu'omi'e pier. > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --005045013d97d47383049e84ad76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ooo nice. =A0So if I wanted to say "I was attacked by 5 plus/minus 2 d= ogs" I would do {mi se gunta vei mu mi'ire lo gerku}? =A0Or would = I have to close the {vei} with {ve'o}?

Is {vei} just= kind of like magic that says "here comes math so treat it like a numb= er"? =A0

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 15 March 2011 08:19:16 Luke Be= rgen wrote:
> If I want to say "5 plus or minus 2" what is the quickest wa= y to do that in
> lojban. =A0I looked through PA* and didn't see anything useful. >
> Note: =A0I'm not looking for {li su'o ci su'e ze}. =A0This= I would translate as
> (somewhere between 3 and 7). =A0I'm looking for a quick and clean = way to say
> "5 but I could be wrong by as much as 2 in either direction"= .

"li mu mi'i re". If you use "mu mi'i re&= quot; as a quantifier in a sumti, you have
to say "vei", e.g. "mi viska vei mu mi'i re". To us= e the number itself as a
sumti, say for example "mi mitre li papimu mi'i pinore".

mu'omi'e pier.
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Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

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