From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARClzLbrBBoEZedJ9Q@googlegroups.com Tue Mar 01 18:06:46 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PubSc-0000rB-5F; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:46 -0800 Received: by pwi1 with SMTP id 1sf1064852pwi.16 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QLBmVKtOD1SnhteiwN0lPGS2jUc3d1s3Dr+LVTpdw3M=; b=6pXOdwIN5ubDcCsQlss4slXwM1nV0HdlgbRvthfEeMvgO56J7DXRy4Z+hz7fk6v8ck ao0zQ2WYDuzdsVdtpj4RsiAtnAJTY8UlErZOy/Nmf5Tj+NsyURF/Mhh8soS5ilJeXl3G 7YL7bXFjND/Js3gGbm5eufvPFBwFQD+h94q00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1qX6NGmZ4/c/U6jvAiMa3GXGeNCMik4dIYdCc1zaGIQ/vJrhD4COFTgltxsj3Cz/2z ZTCMJwrBqPeKgww/3hohji5jSZjq9q+c1iO8nQ6A+wR1P9WpQk3tgra1iVl5/aU92Nrq Qlsd4ZZNC2EdKp8VyOrSPS81OCPhJYuvcLHYQ= Received: by 10.142.202.18 with SMTP id z18mr408965wff.18.1299031589668; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls568212wfb.2.p; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr1172588wfh.3.1299031588571; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr1172587wfh.3.1299031588526; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com (mail-pw0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41si5438745wfa.3.2011.03.01.18.06.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.45; Received: by mail-pw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 6so1141680pwj.32 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.224.21 with SMTP id w21mr5939666wfg.318.1299031588422; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.167.16 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9b728267-66e5-4514-8a4c-861c0ca64c93@u12g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> <20110228182609.GA51687@alice.local> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Words for Politics and Economics From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2dfe861430f049d765c1f --000e0cd2dfe861430f049d765c1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 zo'oi vel .enai zo'oi ve rafsi zo ve mu'o mi'e .latros. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Oren wrote: > There are some of these in the current lujvo larders, > like "communism" is "universal governing idea" (guntrusi'o > ) > > Alot of them use "idea" { sidbo } as the "ism" suffix, ...but I have some > suggestions. I've never tried making lujvo before, mind you. > > zoi . stidi . > > *libertarianism: advocating individual freedoms* > *"an epistemology of private freedom"* > { sivni zifre ve djuno } or { sivzifyveju'o } > > *communism: common ownership of means of production* > *"an epistomology of public industry"* > { gubni gundi ve djuno } or { gubgudveju'o } > > .stidi. > > and here's my reasoning. > > zoi .ciksi. > > an "-ism" in the sense of a person's approach to a subject, could be > described as an idea { lo sidbo } or an abstraction { lo sucta }, or maybe a > system of facts { lo ve djuno } or a methodology of facts { lo te saske } > > ...but functionally, I'd like if the word was an understanding of > something { lo ve djuno }, and then it would make sense to translate > > "What's your political stance on topic X" > "What's your political stance on the fact that X" > > as > > "What methodology do you employ to understand topic X" > "What methodology do you employ to know fact X" > > a.k.a. > > { do djuno fi X fo ma } > { do djuno fe X fo ma } > > and then, you know, things like "libertarianism" or "communism" might be > answers to that question. "I understand this issue (or know this fact) > through the lens of..." > > "I'm religiously marxist but fiscally libertarian" > { mi gubgudju'o lo lijda .i kui mi sivzifyju'o lo djini } > . ciksi . > > co'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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mu'o mi'e .latr= os.

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Oren= <get.oren@gmail= .com> wrote:
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There are some of these in the current lujvo larders, like "communism&= quot; is "universal governing idea" (guntrusi'o)=A0

Alot of them use "idea" { sidbo } as the &quo= t;ism" suffix, ...but I have some suggestions. I've never tried ma= king lujvo before, mind you.

zoi . stidi .

libertarianis= m: advocating individual freedoms
"an epistemology of= private freedom"
{ sivni zifre ve djuno } or { sivzifyveju'o }

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communism: common ownership of means of production
"an epistomology of public industry"
{ gubni gundi= ve djuno } or { gubgudveju'o }

.stidi.

and here's m= y reasoning.

zoi .ciksi.

an &q= uot;-ism" in the sense of a person's approach to a subject, could = be described as an idea {=A0lo=A0sidbo } or an abstraction {=A0lo=A0sucta }= , or maybe a system of facts {=A0lo=A0ve djuno } or a methodology of facts = {=A0lo=A0te saske }

=A0...but functionally, I'd like if the word was an unde= rstanding of something { lo ve djuno }, and then it would make sense to tra= nslate

"What's your political stance on t= opic X"
"What's your political stance on the fact that X"
<= div>
as

"What methodology do you empl= oy to understand topic X"
"What methodology do you employ to know fact X"

a.k.a.

{ do djuno fi X fo ma }
{ do djuno fe X fo ma = }

and then, you know, things like "lib= ertarianism" or "communism" might be answers to that questio= n. "I understand this issue (or know this fact) through the lens of...= "

"I'm religiously marxist but fiscally libertar= ian"
{ mi gubgudju'o lo lijda .i kui mi=A0sivzifyju'= o lo djini }
. ciksi .

co'o

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