From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCRp4_sBBoEe_WJdg@googlegroups.com Fri Mar 18 14:50:31 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0hYx-0001Tx-0g; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:31 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf3553466gwb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=GlNghm4U+VKbNfewKX1KVKYUzBd8GCi9H8hcxQ2NU3o=; b=4Hchh7YASzdW5iqUms27Ub1yLz11qoIUdZYYIF7fX6qL+kCzsXd4iHL5UoMeR2IdOz n1UiXQxR0krfflpog2bSNZ3LP9UVZFWtEedZRHA8n63Fud9ogmyZ9ofJReM/G0F2HweG O7P8d+7KqLQTWPhmhaNUaSHCc92eCtj6cJg08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=peKT3+THdlIuojau+koUE9BotpTC43vTS2N0fVmFD4YV6ASBI+5h4cJKWtPdLsA8GM m+gOrm0AACqOzgDi5/54tYb+77QxhAOlh+c8MeEYTqxyaRgBlJKP85sHd3JLZGHv4Wxl bncwVSrtvqnacYGO0dJ2h5KM/UZtNqQvZrPHw= Received: by 10.101.166.33 with SMTP id t33mr228702ano.28.1300485009668; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.176.157 with SMTP id be29ls135120ibb.1.p; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.28.76 with SMTP id l12mr1109215ibc.5.1300485008701; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.28.76 with SMTP id l12mr1109214ibc.5.1300485008680; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id co39si1158013ibb.1.2011.03.18.14.50.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so5278617iwr.7 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.23.147 with SMTP id r19mr1390976ibb.143.1300485008448; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.13.196 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12252717.2050.1300480502422.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdm5> References: <12252717.2050.1300480502422.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdm5> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:50:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Confused about definitions From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557362ef6deaf049ec8c2b7 --00032557362ef6deaf049ec8c2b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Juanes wrote: > Hi, > > I found following definitions in the English-Lojban dictionary 2010 and I'm > confused, hopefully somebody can give me a simple explanation: > > *bridi* (bri): x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 > among arguments (sequence/set) x3. Also: x3 are related by relation x2 (x3 > is a set completely specified) > > *selbri* (se + bridi): x2 = b1 (text) is a predicate relationship with > relation x1 = b2 among arguments x3 = b3 (ordered set) > > *terbri* (te + bridi): *x*3*=b*1 (text) is a predicate relationship with > relation *x*2*=b*2 among arguments *x*1*=b*3 (ordered set) > > To me it looks as all three definitions are the same, (a part from the x1, > x2, x3inversion) is that so or is it me not getting it. Also does someone > know what b1, b2 etc refer to? > > > Thanks, > > .juanes. > Well, it's certainly odd that the definitions are listed like that, but they are all based on the same word, bridi. {selbri} is {se bridi}, {terbri} is {te bridi}. In the lojban "sentence" {mi klama lo do zdani fu lo karce} ("I go to your house in my car."), "mi klama lo do zdani fu lo karce" is a bridi (a predicate), "klama" is a selbri (a relation), and "mi", "lo do zdani", and "lo karce" are terbri (a relationship argument). -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00032557362ef6deaf049ec8c2b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Juanes <gihemm@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi,

I found following definitions in the English-L= ojban dictionary 2010 and I'm confused, hopefully somebody can give me = a simple explanation:

bridi<= /b> (bri): x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments (sequence/set) x3. Also: x3 are related by relation x2 (x3 is a set complet= ely specified)

selbri= (se + bridi): x2 =3D b1 (text) is a pr= edicate relationship with relation x1 =3D b2 among arguments x3 =3D b3=A0 (ordered set)

terbri= (te + bridi): x3=3Db1 (t= ext) is a predicate relationship with relation x2=3Db2 among arguments x1<= i>=3Db3 (ordered set)

To me it looks as all three definitions are the same, (a part from = the x1, x2, x3inversion) is that so or is it me not= getting it. Also does someone know what b1, b2 etc refer to?


Thanks,

.juanes.

=

Well, it's certainly odd that the definitions ar= e listed like that, but they are all based on the same word, bridi. {selbri= } is {se bridi}, {terbri} is {te bridi}. In the lojban "sentence"= {mi klama lo do zdani fu lo karce} ("I go to your house in my car.&qu= ot;), "mi klama lo do zdani fu lo karce" is a bridi (a predicate)= , "klama" is a selbri (a relation), and "mi", "lo = do zdani", and "lo karce" are terbri (a relationship argumen= t).

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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