From lojban-beginners+bncCI7tjcWhDhCH6qzsBBoE9lZWjw@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 24 05:12:12 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2jOa-0003oy-Am; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:12:12 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf9755389gwb.16 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tQBxNX4RM2YM93xr1sTyoemkTpYeOOEORtlJaTcpR9g=; b=w/yMchibXy8iWlo7ftYcGE4R3RpqCv5VC0echdiCLuP0V3Lon2J/joLaeMzWV84OnV 3rgT8HcuzvotkxFjRoO0IE7in3CVPzb2Ns1izKpyO6VMiwG4NPlD+NkLvfGOJHKrUiW3 V6C+28sp52MhQbshj3y+3Yvo+oRWm5+uE55CA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=D7VdJpmvQVtQk8OK8RZc6wPml0NXaYUogk1tBj39zQTNw+xHCt+g5T3tMT7Yy7yycz Gg7zzwqRm2H2kCa/0jS8KCoFIRDnEZQyFqH3gl+W2I3MdAKD1TZutVznwJOeLQNnEviP VNKPpVsDSnpxVdbG/le41+DwsXCUG/FFQKVwY= Received: by 10.90.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr1252960agu.27.1300968711374; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.44.8 with SMTP id w8ls109764agj.5.p; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:11:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.38.20 with SMTP id l20mr1254411agl.52.1300968710466; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a11g2000pro.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:11:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 211.28.52.50 References: <8814818.617.1300823206876.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prcm18> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.648.151 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: From: ranoritc To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: ranorith@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does. Unfortunately, while "ti" might translate as "this thing", the converse isn't always true. From the CLL: "The cmavo ``ti'', ``ta'', and ``tu'' provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at." It would be like saying in English "this object composed on my Android". go'i .i uinaiku'i zo ti fanza zoi gy this thing gy na roroi soi .i la'e zoi gy CLL gy cusku zoi gy The cmavo ``ti'', ``ta'', and ``tu'' provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at. gy .i la'e de'u simsa lonu cusku bau glibau zoi gy this object composed on my Android gy PS note: Does "na soi" or even riskier "na roroi soi" work? On Mar 23, 9:52=A0am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I think a message qualifies as a thing. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Lindar wrote: > > > "ti" refers to a place or thing. I think "di'u" is much more appropriat= e. > > > Second. > > {ti} is demonstrative for things in physical space. We have {di'u} for > > -this very reason-. It's like insisting on calling a gorilla a "monkey"= . > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do > zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.